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Old 07-14-2010, 03:10 PM   #346
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:05 PM   #347
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The NAACP as a racist organisation
It's been nothing but a political arm of the Democratic Party for decades.

NAACP: Racist to blacks � C.A.R.D

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In another vein, Mfume and other black liberals blame members of their own race for failing to toe the liberal/socialist line. For some predetermined reason, liberals insist that all blacks believe in a single set of values and ideals and there can be no dissent or difference of opinion.

That’s inherently racist — and it’s as racist as if a white were making the same claims.
And if you doubt that here is a Jesse Jackson quote from last year:
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“You can't vote against healthcare and call yourself a black man”
It's racism of the Uncle Tom variety and its a shame it's still condoned in 2010.
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Old 07-14-2010, 11:35 PM   #348
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It's been nothing but a political arm of the Democratic Party for decades.

NAACP: Racist to blacks � C.A.R.D



And if you doubt that here is a Jesse Jackson quote from last year:

It's racism of the Uncle Tom variety and its a shame it's still condoned in 2010.
It's unsavory term, yes, and not one I'd be likely to use, but what it means is not without merit. Do you know what a so-called "Uncle Tom" is?

I'm sure Mfume would agree that any African-American is entitled to his or her opinion. He is also entitled to think that opinion is stupid and self-hating.

From the article:
" As far as Mfume and the rest of the NAACP leadership is concerned, any display of a Confederate flag is inherently racist."



Um, YEAH. I'm sorry, but any display of the Confederate flag that is intended to honor and show respect to the Confederacy IS inherently racist. Period. End of story. Granted, there may be whites who don't understand that and thus display the flag without any racist intent, but that is ignorance. They don't understand what the flag means to most black people. The flag belongs in a museum. The Confederacy should not be lauded, honored, respected at all. It stood for Americans being willing to fight and die to for their states' right to enslave other human beings. It is a shame. Not only that but it has continued to be used by racist groups such as the KKK that desire to keep black people down.

To be honest, every time I see that flag on a car or in front of a house, it makes me feel just a little nervous.
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Old 07-15-2010, 07:57 AM   #349
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Unfortunately I think INDY, Iron Horse, and others will never be able to understand this, and will continue to not see racism unless it come from someone wearing a hood, or unless it's pointed at their own race.
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Um, YEAH. I'm sorry, but any display of the Confederate flag that is intended to honor and show respect to the Confederacy IS inherently racist.
From the friends I have in the south -- some of whom wear their racism on their sleeve, some of whom are more latent about it (you know, like us northerners) -- I gather that part of the perspective on the Confederate flag has to do with a spiteful sense of shame. The whole "the south will rise again" attitude, in the same way that NH's state motto is "don't tread on me", and perhaps in the same way that other marginalized or put-upon groups have taken words that are epithets -- "nigger," "queer" -- and turned them into terms of empowerment.

At the same time, I'll be honest -- when I see someone with a Confederate bumper sticker (all two of them in L.A., usually driving somewhere else), I automatically make assumptions about their perspective on race, gun control, etc. And that assumption may be true. On the other hand, I've met some remarkably enlightened Southerners. So does making the wrong assumption automatically invalidate that assumption? Is my assumption someone else's problem? Is perceived racism the same as actual racism?

I guarantee we're thinking about this more than the tea baggers, which may say something.
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From the friends I have in the south -- some of whom wear their racism on their sleeve, some of whom are more latent about it (you know, like us northerners) -- I gather that part of the perspective on the Confederate flag has to do with a spiteful sense of shame. The whole "the south will rise again" attitude, in the same way that NH's state motto is "don't tread on me", and perhaps in the same way that other marginalized or put-upon groups have taken words that are epithets -- "nigger," "queer" -- and turned them into terms of empowerment.

At the same time, I'll be honest -- when I see someone with a Confederate bumper sticker (all two of them in L.A., usually driving somewhere else), I automatically make assumptions about their perspective on race, gun control, etc. And that assumption may be true. On the other hand, I've met some remarkably enlightened Southerners. So does making the wrong assumption automatically invalidate that assumption? Is my assumption someone else's problem? Is perceived racism the same as actual racism?

I guarantee we're thinking about this more than the tea baggers, which may say something.
I hear you. I mean I knew some decent people when I was a kid living in the south had Confederate flags on their cars etc. They didn't mean any harm, per se. They just didn't realize the symbolism. It would be like some young Germans sporting the Nazi flag to show their "German pride" without fully understanding the implications. I see the two--Confederate and Nazi flag--as equivalent.

The thing about terms like "nigger" and "queer" is that they were and are deraugetory terms. The Confederate flag wasn't originally deraugetory, but was a symbol of national pride and patriotism (for the Confederacy).
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I hear you. I mean I knew some decent people when I was a kid living in the south had Confederate flags on their cars etc. They didn't mean any harm, per se. They just didn't realize the symbolism.
True.

I think the real question here -- the white elephant, the one we're all dancing around -- is, what do we do about the fact that the Dukes of Hazzard's car is plastered with the Confederate Flag (and called the General Lee)?

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The Confederate flag wasn't originally deraugetory, but was a symbol of national pride and patriotism (for the Confederacy).
I've never seen "derogatory" spelled quite that way before. (Did you attend the Benji Schul for Peepul Who Spel Gud? 'Cause I'm currently enrolled in his Punct'iuatshun.,*Clas.)
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The thing about terms like "nigger" and "queer" is that they were and are deraugetory terms.
I think we can add "tea bagger" to that list.

I've never been to a rally, never received any info in the mail or given a dime to any organization, but I'll gladly be a "tea bagger" this fall voting only for candidates that promise to restore fiscal responsibility, repeal Obamacare and require that each new bill identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the authority to pass said law.

I know, bigoted isn't it?
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I think we can add "tea bagger" to that list.


can you point to the history of discriminatory legislation and violence that have plagued the Tea Party members? can you point to their immutable differences from the majority that make them a target for such violence and discrimination?
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I think we can add "tea bagger" to that list.
Were you born a tea bagger?
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i agree, "tea bagger" is a derogatory term. but i think these people are wrong and misinformed and i'm free to tell them this and given their incohate list of grievances, i don't feel particularly bad calling them such names. they've voluntarily aligned themselves via thought, choice, and decisions to a specific ideology.
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can you point to the history of discriminatory legislation and violence that have plagued the Tea Party members? can you point to their immutable differences from the majority that make them a target for such violence and discrimination?
We've already discussed that. That's not the point.
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We've already discussed that. That's not the point.


of course it's the point. no one ever says, "hey, tea bagger ..." and then hits you in the face with a baseball bat. some words are different than others, and some words carry more weight than others.
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they've voluntarily aligned themselves via thought, choice, and decisions to a specific ideology.
As have American Progressives.

Face it, we have two diametrically opposed visions of what America's future at home and abroad should look like. Fine, let's just have that debate without the race card thrown in at every turn.
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As have American Progressives.

Face it, we have two diametrically opposed visions of what America's future at home and abroad should look like. Fine, let's just have that debate without the race card thrown in at every turn.
We've been begging that of you all from the beginning of this movement.

But let's face it, we have two diametrically opposed views as to what racism is.

We've showed you the signs, we've showed you the quotes, and with a straight face you type out with all sincerity that you can't see it.

How do you show a blind man?
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