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Old 07-12-2010, 09:50 PM   #331
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But we're not talking about a situation that has yet been found to trump the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the decisions of the judiciary, are we?

Sean's right that there is an inherent tension between our two perspectives on government -- that tension between legal precedent and principles of self-governance. This tension has allowed the system to endure. Part of the genius of the Founding Fathers, I suppose...
That tension i.e. balance is the key to our system.

However, the real question, I maintain, is whether an issue such as gay marriage qualifies as a civil rights issue. Those who oppose gay marriage would say that it does not--thus correctly conclude any moves to enshrine it in to law without the will of the people would be in violation of the principles of our government. On the other hand, those who support gay marriage maintain that it IS a civil rights issue, and therefore, oorrectly conclude that when the will of the people would deny those rights, the will of the people must be overridden.

Once you settle the argument over the nature of gay marriage, you both should find the conclusion about how it relates to our democractic system relatively simple.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:16 PM   #332
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NAACP considers resolution decrying racist elements in tea-party movement

And Democrats wonder why independents and swing voters are leaving them in droves.
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Yeah. They should totally be okay with racist elements in the tea party movement, right?
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I kinda wish the NAACP would stay out it. The tea party is doing a pretty good job by itself of corroding conservative credibility in America.
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I kinda wish the NAACP would stay out it. The tea party is doing a pretty good job by itself of corroding conservative credibility in America.


agreed. we don't need them to point out the obvious.
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:18 AM   #336
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Yeah. They should totally be okay with racist elements in the tea party movement, right?
They seem to be okay with "racist elements" in their own organization. Not to mention not one bit of evidence supports the "N-word" incident prior to the HC vote.
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The NAACP as a racist organisation
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I kinda wish the NAACP would stay out it. The tea party is doing a pretty good job by itself of corroding conservative credibility in America.
Agreed 100%
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Not to mention not one bit of evidence supports the "N-word" incident prior to the HC vote.
Well there really isn't any evidence to support either claim.

But if there were I wonder if any of the "little San Francisco" would be as bold or ignorant as to still deny it with the evidence right there before their eyes?

Such as you have on many occasions.

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DES MOINES, Iowa – A billboard created by an Iowa tea party group comparing President Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Lenin has been removed.

Kent Beatty, the general manager of the company that owns the billboard, says a North Iowa Tea Party representative called Tuesday night and asked that the sign in downtown Mason City be removed.

Beatty says his company replaced the sign Wednesday morning with a public service announcement.

The original sign showed photographs of Obama, Nazi leader Hitler and communist leader Lenin beneath the labels "Democrat Socialism," "National Socialism," and "Marxist Socialism."

Some tea party members criticized the sign, and North Iowa Tea Party co-founder Bob Johnson acknowledged the pictures overwhelmed the intended message of anti-socialism.
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Not speaking as a Bush supporter -- I'm just not sure what the balance is here. Plenty of people on this board accused Bush of fascism when he was in power. Obama's presence naturally is going to draw the same kind of heat from the other side of the aisle.

It seems like whoever is in power -- regardless of race or ideology -- is going to piss off their opponents. Not sure what role race plays.
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Not speaking as a Bush supporter -- I'm just not sure what the balance is here. Plenty of people on this board accused Bush of fascism when he was in power. Obama's presence naturally is going to draw the same kind of heat from the other side of the aisle.

It seems like whoever is in power -- regardless of race or ideology -- is going to piss off their opponents. Not sure what role race plays.
How many of these were based on or referenced Bush's race?

His alleged religion?

Or compare his policy to that of Hitler's?
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How many of these were based on or referenced Bush's race?

His alleged religion?

Or compare his policy to that of Hitler's?
Having been at more than a few ANSWER protests, I can say with dead-on certainty that phrases like "Christofascism" were tossed around like beach balls. And you couldn't swing a dead cat without hearing charges of fascism and references to the Right as a form of Nazism. Funny, I seem to remember some threads about that in FYM back in the day. Plenty of comments about Bush's southern heritage too.

Again, whoever's in power -- left, right, or center -- is going to get it from whoever isn't.
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Having been at more than a few ANSWER protests, I can say with dead-on certainty that phrases like "Christofascism" were tossed around like beach balls. And you couldn't swing a dead cat without hearing charges of fascism and references to the Right as a form of Nazism. Funny, I seem to remember some threads about that in FYM back in the day. Plenty of comments about Bush's southern heritage too.

Again, whoever's in power -- left, right, or center -- is going to get it from whoever isn't.
Yes, about his war, not his prescription drug policy.

BIG difference!
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Not speaking as a Bush supporter -- I'm just not sure what the balance is here. Plenty of people on this board accused Bush of fascism when he was in power. Obama's presence naturally is going to draw the same kind of heat from the other side of the aisle.

It seems like whoever is in power -- regardless of race or ideology -- is going to piss off their opponents. Not sure what role race plays.


but Bush is a war criminal. i mean, he is. he's admitted as such. he says he'd do it again.

he authorized torture. these signs are typical agitprop, but they're far more credible than Obama = Stalin, or Obama the "lyin' African."

you can equivocate as far as both sides wave anti-intellectual signs, but they are not equivalent in content. to pretend that "they're all the same" is not to think very hard or read very closely.

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Having been at more than a few ANSWER protests, I can say with dead-on certainty that phrases like "Christofascism" were tossed around like beach balls.
oh, but that's totally fair. i used that in here. Bush gave James Dobson veto power over SCOTUS nominees. the Christian Right was far, far more influential then than they are now, particularly in Bush's first term. he talked frequently about listening to a "higher father" and being a born-again and you had Ashcroft covering up breasts on statues and the demonizing of gay people and the very active courting of conservative evangelical protestants. the man said his favorite political philosopher was Jesus, for chrissakes.


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And you couldn't swing a dead cat without hearing charges of fascism and references to the Right as a form of Nazism. Funny, I seem to remember some threads about that in FYM back in the day. Plenty of comments about Bush's southern heritage too.
Bush doesn't have southern heritage. he's a blue-blood yankee who moved to West Texas -- hardly the south. he's not like George Allen, trying to reclaim an idealized antebellum past that never existed. so, no, there wasn't anything about Bush's "southern" past. you very well could make the argument that the base of the Republican Party is in the South, and that it's the party of Dixie, and you could look at voting returns from the 2008 election and be absolutely correct. it was only in certain areas of the south where McCain beat Obama greater than Bush did Kerry. we'd be fooling ourselves if race weren't a part of that.

the Hitler/Nazi comparisons have always been wrong, and those have always been called out in here by the regular protesters. the only difference, i can see, is that the Hitler comparisons to Bush were made in regards to foreign policy (invading nations for fabricated reasons), rather than domestic policy (health care).





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Again, whoever's in power -- left, right, or center -- is going to get it from whoever isn't.

and you can pretend it's all the same and feel as if you're above it all, but that's really not the case.
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