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Old 07-09-2010, 09:05 AM   #301
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Aren't most of these Tea Baggers retired? While they were battling against Gov't run Healthcare most of them are on MediCare anyways - shouldn't they be against MediCare too? I wonder how bad they would all howl if that was repealled?
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:35 AM   #302
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which is why we have a judiciary designed to protect minorities from mob rule.
Actually, the judiciary was designed to protect the large majority -- the unprivileged, the poor, the lower classes -- from dictatorial rule by the small minority -- the wealthy, the privileged, the culturally and intellectually elite.

So if anything, the judiciary is designed to make sure that the minority fulfills the wishes of the majority.
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Actually, the judiciary was designed to protect the large majority -- the unprivileged, the poor, the lower classes -- from dictatorial rule by the small minority -- the wealthy, the privileged, the culturally and intellectually elite.

So if anything, the judiciary is designed to make sure that the minority fulfills the wishes of the majority.



you're thinking in terms of population. it's power vs. powerless, so those with power cannot remove rights from the powerless, no matter how unpopular they might be. numbers are irrelevant here.
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you're thinking in terms of population. it's power vs. powerless, so those with power cannot remove rights from the powerless, no matter how unpopular they might be. numbers are irrelevant here.
Actually, they're not. The revolutionary notion in American politics is that power resides where it should -- with the voters. With individual people who each carry a fundamental voice that deserves to be heard. And if enough of those people agree on a course of action...

Or is there a ceiling above which the voice of the voters shouldn't carry?
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Or is there a ceiling above which the voice of the voters shouldn't carry?


the rights outlined in the Constitution?

again, representative democracy isn't mob rule. enough white people could agree that every Thursday is Bash-A-Faggot Day, and even pass a law, and that still wouldn't make it remotely Constitutional.
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Actually, they're not. The revolutionary notion in American politics is that power resides where it should -- with the voters. With individual people who each carry a fundamental voice that deserves to be heard. And if enough of those people agree on a course of action...

Or is there a ceiling above which the voice of the voters shouldn't carry?
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the rights outlined in the Constitution?

again, representative democracy isn't mob rule. enough white people could agree that every Thursday is Bash-A-Faggot Day, and even pass a law, and that still wouldn't make it remotely Constitutional.
together and you have a proper understanding of the American system of government.
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:17 PM   #308
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which is why we have a judiciary designed to protect minorities from mob rule. the unpopular have ever right that the popular do. this isn't high school.
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Actually, the judiciary was designed to protect the large majority -- the unprivileged, the poor, the lower classes -- from dictatorial rule by the small minority -- the wealthy, the privileged, the culturally and intellectually elite.

So if anything, the judiciary is designed to make sure that the minority fulfills the wishes of the majority.


I always thought justice was blind so as to rule without regard to power, money or influence.

Oh well.
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I always thought justice was blind so as to rule without regard to power, money or influence.

Oh well.
Justice is blind to those things in terms of not being influenced by them. However there would be no justice at all if it were completely unaware of them.
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again, representative democracy isn't mob rule. enough white people could agree that every Thursday is Bash-A-Faggot Day, and even pass a law, and that still wouldn't make it remotely Constitutional.
Absolutely. But anyone who confuses or equates the long, slow, laborious process of putting an issue on a ballot, campaigning around said issue, getting the vote out, and winning (or not) an election with mob rule is generally naive. Mobs give no credence to laws or the democratic or legislative process -- they function in spite of (or in angry response to) laws, not because of them.
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Didn't the Klan reinforce racist laws which had been given democratic and legislative sanction?
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Aren't most of these Tea Baggers retired? While they were battling against Gov't run Healthcare most of them are on MediCare anyways - shouldn't they be against MediCare too? I wonder how bad they would all howl if that was repealled?
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Absolutely. But anyone who confuses or equates the long, slow, laborious process of putting an issue on a ballot, campaigning around said issue, getting the vote out, and winning (or not) an election with mob rule is generally naive. Mobs give no credence to laws or the democratic or legislative process -- they function in spite of (or in angry response to) laws, not because of them.


and those long, slow, laborious processes are for naught if the law passed strips someone of rights that are already enumerated in the Constitution. voting on my civil rights, or anyone else's, is precisely mob rule and the tyranny of the majority, and it is unconstitutional, and that's why we have the courts so that i don't get stepped on by said mob even if nobody likes me very much.

you're being far too literal about the term "mob rule."

just because it doesn't look like this ...



... doesn't mean that it's not about the same thing.
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Didn't the Klan reinforce racist laws which had been given democratic and legislative sanction?
Actually, the Klan had a relatively brief period of popularity in the 1860s -- formed in the South response to the Emancipation Proclamation and the aftermath of the Civil War -- but was virtually extinct by the 1870s, when the federal government began prosecuting them. The Klan didn't return to national prominence until after D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" in 1915, but by 1930 was once again defunct. The third wave of the Klan was created in response to the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s, as well as the Civil Rights Act. They're a great example of what I'm talking about -- a mob that operates outside the law because it doesn't agree with said laws.
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and those long, slow, laborious processes are for naught if the law passed strips someone of rights that are already enumerated in the Constitution.
It's always frustrating when a representative government doesn't see a particular matter your way. (And, in the situation to which you refer, a perceived right that so far has been ruled by the judiciary not to be shrouded in the national constitution, is not recognized federally, and has had a decidedly negative legislative history from state to state.) It's certainly your right, as it is the right of every American, to advocate, vote, demand change, etc. -- but to equate this:



with this:



is fear-mongering, plain and simple, and doing so with a right that is fundamental to every American, and that makes our democracy unique -- the right to vote, and the right to a government that responds to that vote.

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you're being far too literal about the term "mob rule."
You're the one equating "mob rule" with "tyranny of the majority."
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