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Old 04-24-2009, 11:41 AM   #166
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It will be interesting to see what history says about them, my guess is history will call them a joke, but we'll see...
Understand that most liberals and conservatives are not specialists. I'm different because I believe that curiosity is important for people to have good reasons for voting and that we rely so much on other experts that it's important to compare and have my own opinion. I'm sure most of the tea partiers feel the deficit is getting too large and it will continue to do so in the future so they feel the tax pinch is coming. This is where politicians from both the left and right use demagoguery to advance their own interests. I feel many of the tea partiers are right without actually knowing why. It's true that many conservatives aren't taking the leadership plunge just yet because they want Obama to do the screw ups and then they can criticize afterwards. After all that's what they do all the time so the public needs to have their own solid opinions because politicians change with the wind.
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I feel many of the tea partiers are right without actually knowing why.
How can you say that when you just laid out an imaginary plan that went against what they are apparently protesting? You baffle me...

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It's true that many conservatives aren't taking the leadership plunge just yet because they want Obama to do the screw ups and then they can criticize afterwards.
Well I think they are hoping Obama screws up so they can criticize later...
This is exaclty why this whole thing is a joke. Conservatives aren't stepping up because right now, all they have is theory, and it's a theory that would probably fail in this current environment and I think many secretly know this. There is no one in their right mind that would just sit back in this current environment and allow the market to just heal itself, even your plan acknowledges that... That's why these tea parties weren't really about spending or bail outs, they were a conservative bitch fest. Nothing more, nothing less...
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How can you say that when you just laid out an imaginary plan that went against what they are apparently protesting? You baffle me...
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Well I think they are hoping Obama screws up so they can criticize later...
This is exaclty why this whole thing is a joke. Conservatives aren't stepping up because right now, all they have is theory, and it's a theory that would probably fail in this current environment and I think many secretly know this. There is no one in their right mind that would just sit back in this current environment and allow the market to just heal itself, even your plan acknowledges that... That's why these tea parties weren't really about spending or bail outs, they were a conservative bitch fest. Nothing more, nothing less...
Remember lots of the spending (health-care, earmarks, construction projects happening after the recession is over and auto-bailouts) have nothing to do with the banking system. Plus green initiatives will just create higher energy prices because nothing is cheaper than coal and oil right now. There's plenty for conservatives to bitch about.

The only green energy that might revolutionize things is a prototype coming in around 20 years:

Department of Energy - Fusion Energy
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I give up, you're missing the point...
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Old 05-21-2009, 10:01 PM   #170
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LOS ANGELES — Voters in California on Tuesday slapped down a slew of tax hikes and borrowing measures that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said were needed to solve the state's fiscal dilemma.
Four out of five measures dealing with higher taxes had failed by nearly 2-to-1, and the fifth was trailing badly. The only measure to pass was one that banned pay raises for elected officials in deficit years.

Among those going to the polls was Kerrie Von Korper, a grocery worker said she voted "no on everything. "We all have to live within our means, and that includes the state," she said.

"No more taxes," Karen McCune, a retiree from Long Beach, said as she exited her polling place.
President Obama, the chuckleheads at MSNBC, and Colin Powell Republicans -- go ahead, keep mocking.
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President Obama, the chuckleheads at MSNBC, and Colin Powell Republicans -- go ahead, keep mocking.
wow this thread just woke from the dead. um...well... I hope your profile picture is sarcastic because otherwise you are representing the worst president in this nations history.
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mahatma Gandhi
Right. and this quote could also be used to describe the GOP right now... so I really dont understand your point?
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President Obama, the chuckleheads at MSNBC, and Colin Powell Republicans -- go ahead, keep mocking.
Has almost nothing to do with the tea parties though...

Like I asked the tea partiers early, and which none were able to answer...

What is the non-Colin Powell Republican plan for this state? How is a bankrupt state going to pay for a decent fire fighting team when the next big wild fire strikes? Just let the homes heal themselves? It's one thing to stand up against taxes, but where is the Republican plan? You probably wouldn't be mocked as much if you all actually had an alternative, but you don't...
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Has almost nothing to do with the tea parties though...

Like I asked the tea partiers early, and which none were able to answer...

What is the non-Colin Powell Republican plan for this state? How is a bankrupt state going to pay for a decent fire fighting team when the next big wild fire strikes? Just let the homes heal themselves? It's one thing to stand up against taxes, but where is the Republican plan? You probably wouldn't be mocked as much if you all actually had an alternative, but you don't...
I'd really like some of the GOP to give some plans instead of complaining.
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1) STOP SPENDING SO MUCH. To quote a famous ex-California governor, “It's time we reduced the government's budget and left the family budget alone.”

2) STOP driving businesses and "the rich" out of your state with steeply progressive taxes. It's not good for your tax base, although Oregon and Nevada thank you.

3) STOP expecting your citizens to pay for healthcare, education and other services for illegal residents.

4) Your public-employee pensions are apparently outrageously lavish. Maybe fix that.

5) STOP being envirowienies and start collecting oil revenues by allowing offshore drilling.

6) STOP electing muscleheads that can't even pronounce the name of your state as governor and start electing drop-dead gorgeous beauty queens with solid traditional values.

That's where I'd start anyway.
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I responded to your previous post in the bold lettering...

1) STOP SPENDING SO MUCH. To quote a famous ex-California governor, “It's time we reduced the government's budget and left the family budget alone.”

and what is your alternative to investing money in the economy by government spending... ?? and dont say "tax cuts" because those will not work in the economy we are in right now. Most economist agree that the stimulus package was the best thing we could have done

2) STOP driving businesses and "the rich" out of your state with steeply progressive taxes. It's not good for your tax base, although Oregon and Nevada thank you.

I dont know if you are aware but we have had a progressive tax code throughout almost all of american history. Reagan's taxes for the wealthy were much higher than Obama's...but no one calls him socialist? not only that...but a progressive tax code works. Here is why: Interesting E-mail that was sent to me

3) STOP expecting your citizens to pay for healthcare, education and other services for illegal residents.

Parts of congress and Obama actually have some good ideas for helping to minimize the amound of illegal residents in this country...but still in what way would we be able to do what you are proposing?

4) Your public-employee pensions are apparently outrageously lavish. Maybe fix that.

There are way more important issues than this

5) STOP being envirowienies and start collecting oil revenues by allowing offshore drilling.

Ok...offshore drilling does not even pale in comparison to the amount of money we could make off of investing in new technologies, the new "energy-cores" (which I doubt you know about), and other programs to help reduce energy- obama made a great step the other day with the car regulations


6) STOP electing muscleheads that can't even pronounce the name of your state as governor and start electing drop-dead gorgeous beauty queens with solid traditional values.


WHAT!?! Beauty queens with traditional values? What is traditional values? its a made up term to describe something that the right-wing wants. Traditional values are not found in the bible, and being against gay marriage is unfathomable in my mind...but ok...


That's where I'd start anyway.

all i can say is thank god we have obama now instead of the guy in your avatar.
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1) STOP SPENDING SO MUCH. To quote a famous ex-California governor, “It's time we reduced the government's budget and left the family budget alone.”
It's a great platitude, it's too bad no one ever comes up with specifics as to where to cut...

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2) STOP driving businesses and "the rich" out of your state with steeply progressive taxes. It's not good for your tax base, although Oregon and Nevada thank you.
How many businesses have migrated out of California in the last year? Do you have numbers, or is this speculation?

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3) STOP expecting your citizens to pay for healthcare, education and other services for illegal residents.
Would you rather have the state pay for the gathering up and deportation of the brownies?

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4) Your public-employee pensions are apparently outrageously lavish. Maybe fix that.
Apparently outrageous? Well are they or aren't they? Should we just get rid of pensions altogether?

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5) STOP being envirowienies and start collecting oil revenues by allowing offshore drilling.
Yeah, I'm a conservative, I don't need science. I don't care what the planet will be like in 100 years I won't be here. Who needs to see the mountain tops in LA anyway? Let's use up what we got, we'll come up with an alternative when we run out. Screw those sandal wearing, long hair, earth loving, love your enemy, non money seeking hippies!!! Why can't they be more like supply side/ NRA Jesus...
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so what percentage of the population does that leave "The Real GOP" with?
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I responded to your previous post in the bold lettering...

1) STOP SPENDING SO MUCH. To quote a famous ex-California governor, “It's time we reduced the government's budget and left the family budget alone.”

and what is your alternative to investing money in the economy by government spending... ?? and dont say "tax cuts" because those will not work in the economy we are in right now. Most economist agree that the stimulus package was the best thing we could have done


California government spending, that's what we're addressing, has doubled over the last decade. Their deficit is projected to be $21.3 billion. Sorry but you can't spend (even if you call it a stimulas package) or borrow your way out of a deficit. That used to be common sense.
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2) STOP driving businesses and "the rich" out of your state with steeply progressive taxes. It's not good for your tax base, although Oregon and Nevada thank you.

I dont know if you are aware but we have had a progressive tax code throughout almost all of american history. Reagan's taxes for the wealthy were much higher than Obama's...but no one calls him socialist? not only that...but a progressive tax code works. Here is why: Interesting E-mail that was sent to me
California, specifically what we are talking about, has the highest income tax (something like 10% on all income over 50K), the highest sales tax, the highest gas tax, and one of the highest business taxes in the union. When your neighboring states have much lower rates guess what starts to happen?

3) STOP expecting your citizens to pay for healthcare, education and other services for illegal residents.
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Parts of congress and Obama actually have some good ideas for helping to minimize the amound of illegal residents in this country...but still in what way would we be able to do what you are proposing?
Cut off all services. California residents voted to do this but... and stop me if you've heard this one before, the California courts overturned the will of the people. You can't have open borders and a welfare state. California proves this as illegal immigration costs CA taxpayers an estimated 10.5 billion a year. That's half the deficit right there.

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4) Your public-employee pensions are apparently outrageously lavish. Maybe fix that.

There are way more important issues than this
90% pay after 30 years of service seems a little generous to me, but would be a matter between the state and its employees except for the fact that it's billions in the red already. So it isn't working.
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5) STOP being envirowienies and start collecting oil revenues by allowing offshore drilling.

Ok...offshore drilling does not even pale in comparison to the amount of money we could make off of investing in new technologies, the new "energy-cores" (which I doubt you know about), and other programs to help reduce energy- obama made a great step the other day with the car regulations
There's a great song by The Mamas And the Papas called 'California Dreaming.'

Offshore drilling = money into the treasury.
"Investment" = spending out of the treasury.
And reducing energy = lower standard of living == less tax revenues. Bad idea when you're already spending way more than you collect.

Build some nuclear power plants if you're worried about oil spills or greenhouse gas emissions. No, that would make too much sense.
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6) STOP electing muscleheads that can't even pronounce the name of your state as governor and start electing drop-dead gorgeous beauty queens with solid traditional values.


WHAT!?! Beauty queens with traditional values? What is traditional values? its a made up term to describe something that the right-wing wants. Traditional values are not found in the bible, and being against gay marriage is unfathomable in my mind...but ok...

Well you're in the minority, even in California, and you're even at odds with President Obama who you seem to believe has all the answers.
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That's where I'd start anyway.

all i can say is thank god we have obama now instead of the guy in your avatar.
Is everything George Bush's fault? He completely failed to control illegal immigration true, but California is to blame for most of California's woes.
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