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Old 11-30-2008, 08:18 PM   #1
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Another warmongerer in the White House?

Barack Obama's security team delights the hawks - Times Online



Well, I hate to say I told you so.
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Old 11-30-2008, 08:29 PM   #2
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Yes, because you want a president to be surrounded by "yes" men...
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Old 11-30-2008, 08:45 PM   #3
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Could be a case of keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Having them as part of his administration means he hears their ideas and criticisms of his ideas first, instead of in the various newspapers/news magazines and news shows. It's a brilliant strategy if he can pull it off.
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ummm, what did you tell us exactly ?

One too many "er"s in the subject title by the way
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Diversity of opinions is one of the characteristics of a high performing team.
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Obama himself said hed be doing this I dont see how it comes as a shock to anybody.
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Yes, because you want a president to be surrounded by "yes" men...
I love the spin
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And if he does something as stupid as, I don't know, invading Iraq, then he'll be rightly criticised.
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I love the spin

How is that spin?
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Initially Obama ran on an anti-war platform, it really helped him with the netroots, there are posts on FYM talking about how good it was to have a candidate who recognised Iraq was unwinnable and would direct a phased withdrawal when he got into office, of course once he got the nomination the tone shifted (but justified here as a means to win the election). But now he is keeping war supporters and Clintonistas onside and not rocking the boat with Iraq, the propaganda from the GOP and the anti-war crowd was wrong and Obama will not be reckless or weak on national security, but it takes a little bit of spin from his supporters to justify some of these positions.
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Initially Obama ran on an anti-war platform, it really helped him with the netroots, there are posts on FYM talking about how good it was to have a candidate who recognised Iraq was unwinnable and would direct a phased withdrawal when he got into office, of course once he got the nomination the tone shifted (but justified here as a means to win the election). But now he is keeping war supporters and Clintonistas onside and not rocking the boat with Iraq, the propaganda from the GOP and the anti-war crowd was wrong and Obama will not be reckless or weak on national security, but it takes a little bit of spin from his supporters to justify some of these positions.
That seems like an awful lot of assumptions you're making. I haven't heard that the withdrawal plan he's always talked about throughout the campaign has changed, have you? And, he's maintained all along that he wants his cabinet made up of a "team of rivals." I don't think those two things are necessarily mutually exclusive.
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Initially Obama ran on an anti-war platform, it really helped him with the netroots, there are posts on FYM talking about how good it was to have a candidate who recognised Iraq was unwinnable and would direct a phased withdrawal when he got into office, of course once he got the nomination the tone shifted (but justified here as a means to win the election). But now he is keeping war supporters and Clintonistas onside and not rocking the boat with Iraq, the propaganda from the GOP and the anti-war crowd was wrong and Obama will not be reckless or weak on national security, but it takes a little bit of spin from his supporters to justify some of these positions.

I think you're spinning his supporters, not suprising though...
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Initially Obama ran on an anti-war platform, it really helped him with the netroots, there are posts on FYM talking about how good it was to have a candidate who recognised Iraq was unwinnable and would direct a phased withdrawal when he got into office, of course once he got the nomination the tone shifted (but justified here as a means to win the election). But now he is keeping war supporters and Clintonistas onside and not rocking the boat with Iraq, the propaganda from the GOP and the anti-war crowd was wrong and Obama will not be reckless or weak on national security, but it takes a little bit of spin from his supporters to justify some of these positions.

the Iraqi government has already enacted the Obama plan and set the groundwork for the phased withdrawal. further, the point was clearly made that Obama was against "dumb wars," not that he was a dove (the natural opposite for a hawk).
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How is the Obama plan different from the "they stand up, we stand down" policy that Bush has been pursuing? Is it not the final stage of that policy?
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This is the single best thing Barack Obama has done up until this point, IMO.

Bye bye loony Lefties.
Don't cheer too loud, Neo-cons, I doubt Obama wants to spread Democracy with a gun. The rest of the 'Right' I think you can rest easy.

If he runs as a JFK Democrat on FP, I think we will be in pretty good shape.
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