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Old 12-01-2008, 07:30 PM   #1
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Pastor Who Helped Get "under God" In Pledge Dies
Pastor Credited With Getting "under God" Inserted In Pledge Of Allegiance Dies At 97

ALEXANDRIA, Pa., Nov. 29, 2008


(AP) A church official says the clergyman credited with helping to push Congress to insert the phrase "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance has died in Alexandria, Pa. The Rev. George M. Docherty was 97.




Nancy Taylor, historian for the Huntingdon Presbyterian Church, says Docherty died on Thanksgiving at his home in Alexandria, with his wife, Sue, by his side.

Docherty delivered a sermon saying the pledge should acknowledge God in 1952 at Washington's New York Avenue Presbyterian Church, just blocks from the White House.

On Feb. 7, 1954, he delivered it again after learning that President Dwight Eisenhower would be at the church.

Congress inserted the words a few months later.

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"In God we trust"


It would be nice, in my humble opinion, if the world could say those four words and believe.
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:14 PM   #3
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It would be nice, in my humble opinion, if the world could say those four words and believe.
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Pastor Who Helped Get "under God" In Pledge Dies
Pastor Credited With Getting "under God" Inserted In Pledge Of Allegiance Dies At 97

ALEXANDRIA, Pa., Nov. 29, 2008


(AP) A church official says the clergyman credited with helping to push Congress to insert the phrase "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance has died in Alexandria, Pa. The Rev. George M. Docherty was 97.




Nancy Taylor, historian for the Huntingdon Presbyterian Church, says Docherty died on Thanksgiving at his home in Alexandria, with his wife, Sue, by his side.

Docherty delivered a sermon saying the pledge should acknowledge God in 1952 at Washington's New York Avenue Presbyterian Church, just blocks from the White House.

On Feb. 7, 1954, he delivered it again after learning that President Dwight Eisenhower would be at the church.

Congress inserted the words a few months later.

RIP.

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Old 12-01-2008, 09:04 PM   #5
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A few more "true patriots"

Abraham Lincoln

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

- Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865).


Benjamin Franklin

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."

"Lighthouses are more helpful then churches."

-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor


-John Adams, U.S. President, Founding Father of the United States

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."


Thomas Jefferson (Deist)

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " – Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity." –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat


William Howard Taft

"I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe."

- William Howard Taft, U.S. President
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Real heroes don't care about the constitution.
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Thomas Jefferson!

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While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.... If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security.


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Virtue is not the domain of the religious, nor does a belief in god automatically mean the believer is virtuous, in fact many are not.

For example, many religious people are bigots......
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I'm sure he's a good man. I hope his family the best.

But he's no more a patriot than you or I...

I find it EXTREMELY hypocritical that someone who fights tooth and nail over a definition of a word, and one of our more outspoken "libertarians" who often asks literal questions like "where is this in the constitution" finds pride in someone who altered the true meaning of our constitution.

I guess some only stand up when it's in their own self interest.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:31 AM   #12
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If we accept that America is one nation under God then you must enforce that principle and protect your Christian heritage, please petition your politicians to outlaw unchristian movements such as Joseph Smiths cult and the Catholic puppets of Rome.

Take away the tax free status of these cults, only real religions (mainstream Protestant denominations) should receive state recognition. Be vigorous in stopping the cash flow to Salt Lake and Rome. Investigate the so-called "charity" organisations which take money from ignorant citizens and put it to use in undermining America's democratic institutions.

If America is one nation under God, stop allowing idolators and heretics to undermine it.
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this was a little phrase designed to distinguish us from the godless communists.

it's an artifact, an antiquated pice of Cold War propaganda, nothing more.

i don't really care that it's there, and i wouldn't care if the phrase went away.
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this was a little phrase designed to distinguish us from the godless communists.

it's an artifact, an antiquated pice of Cold War propaganda, nothing more.
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Anyone care that he's dead? There are plenty of other threads out there for atheists and believers to kick the shit out of each other. I find the responses thus far quite disrespectful, honestly. I disagree with <> as much as the next guy, but he made a thread to honor someone he respects. You can score off of him in any other thread. But you don't need me to tell you that.
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