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Old 12-03-2008, 10:33 AM   #61
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Most HR Directors see a red flag when applicants are more curious about what bennies are offered them.

HR Directors would rather know what a hopeful candidate offers to bring to the table.


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Old 12-03-2008, 10:49 AM   #62
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Most HR Directors see a red flag when applicants are more curious about what bennies are offered them.

HR Directors would rather know what a hopeful candidate offers to bring to the table.


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The Military isn't run by "HR Directors", the recruiters push the bennies hard, potential recruits barely need to ask. My son's in high school and has gotten a hard sell a few times.

And, believe it or not, many do join up just for the bennies they wouldn't be able to otherwise get in civvy life.

Regardless, any soldier, gay or straight, who joins up and gets killed in action is more of a patriot than the guy posted about at the start of this thread.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:50 AM   #63
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And all hopeful candidates bring all they can to the table when they know that they will be granted full equality

That goes for women and minorities and gay people in the military

Full equality in the US military still does not exist, just as it doesn't everywhere else. But it should be one of the most important goals-after all, we are supposed to "honoring their service"-aren't we?

After all, one nation under a God who created all equal
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At least this article (the original one that started this thread) may enlighten some people who mistakenly think that the "under god" stuff was originally meant to be in the pledge. I'd wager that most people don't know that it was added much later for political purposes.

It's the same way with the money, where "in god we trust" was added sometime around 1957 IIRC. Most people thing it's always been on the money, and it hasn't.
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My own view is that gay marriage is likely inevitable, and won't be nearly the disaster many of my fellow conservatives fear it will be.
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Jonah Goldberg is a very conservative columnist and he can see the writing on the wall.

So all should hurry, the bigot bus is leaving the station,
there is one last chance to get a window seat for the historic photo-op.
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It's the same way with the money, where "in god we trust" was added sometime around 1957 IIRC. Most people thing it's always been on the money, and it hasn't.

In God We Trust has been on the penny since 1909 and dime since 1916 and all U.S. coins since 1938. Its use goes back further to the post-Civil War era and older coins no longer in circulation.

And in all cases God is capitalized.

And it's on my Indiana license plate as well.
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Didn't he just come out and say he wants it removed but he wants to do it from within the military and not legislatively? If anyone knows anything about the military, honestly this is the only way it's really going to happen.
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Last time I checked no one in America is forced to join the military.

The issue needs to get handled one way or another.

One thing that concerns me is a person that serves his country with benifits in mind foremost, that said -the USA military is voluntary.

If you don't like the bennies offered, fight it legally to change it first and once it's changed then join.

Don't join and then demand they change their policies for you.

The military isn't about "you".

I believe some how, some way - a same sex spouse should be able to recieve bennies.

I wish same sex military cpls luck in finding or crafting legislation to make that happen.

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Good, for you, but don't act like they are equal now.

And if you consider yourself anywhere near a patriot you should demand that these patriots are considered equal, and don't give us these backhanded insults of "it's not about you."
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DeMint: Capitol Visitor Center Fails to Honor Faith

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Delete Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) from the list of admirers of the new Capitol Visitor Center.

DeMint issued a statement Tuesday criticizing the new facility for "omitting the history of faith." DeMint noted that the new tourist spot ignored his request to include the phrase "In God We Trust" and the Pledge of Allegiance.

DeMint said the center, which opened Tuesday, also has displays that are "left-leaning and in some cases distort our true history."

Here's DeMint's full statement:

“The Capitol Visitor Center is designed to tell the history and purpose of our nation's Capitol, but it fails to appropriately honor our religious heritage that has been critical to America’s success. While the Architect of the Capitol has pledged to include some references to faith, more needs to be done. You cannot accurately tell the history of America or its Capitol by ignoring the religious heritage of our Founders and the generations since who relied on their faith for strength and guidance. The millions of visitors that will visit the CVC each year should get a true portrayal of the motivations and inspirations of those who have served in Congress since its establishment.

“The current CVC displays are left-leaning and in some cases distort our true history. Exhibits portray the federal government as the fulfillment of human ambition and the answer to all of society’s problems. This is a clear departure from acknowledging that Americans’ rights ‘are endowed by their Creator’ and stem from ‘a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence.’ Instead, the CVC’s most prominent display proclaims faith not in God, but in government. Visitors will enter reading a large engraving that states, ‘We have built no temple but the Capitol. We consult no common oracle but the Constitution.’ This is an intentional misrepresentation of our nation’s real history, and an offensive refusal to honor America's God-given blessings. As George Washington stated clearly in his first inaugural address:

‘…[I]t would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge.’

“The fundamental principles of the freedom we enjoy in this country stem from our Founding Fathers’ beliefs in a higher power, beliefs put forth in the Declaration of Independence and manifest throughout our Constitution,” said Senator DeMint. “If we cease to acknowledge this fact, we may cease to enjoy some of the freedoms we take for granted. We must not censor historical references to God for the sake of political correctness. And we must truthfully represent the limited form of government the Constitution lays out so that our ‘government of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth.’ So help us God.”
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clever? not really.

i don't quite see how pointing out points of disagreement that many have with Obama or that he makes and will continue to make convenient political calculations when it serves his purposes (especially when not wanting to make the mistakes that Clinton did in '93-94) is somehow incendiary and makes most of FYM want to sob and protect their precious Obama.

no one thinks that. no one expects perfection. some of us expect to have our rights put on the shelf until a more convenient time. after all, we did live through the Clintons throwing us under the bus. this is what Democrats do.

but the point obviously remains that Obama, and the Democrats, might not act on civil rights because it's politically expedient not to do so at a particular time. this is quite different than a Republican who not only wants to deny gays rights, but to actively strip us of any rights, because they are politically sold out to nasty, bigoted forces that fund their campaigns and stir up the base in order to help them win elections.

it actually does matter that the Democrats are sold out to much less scary special interests. because, at the end of the day, while most mainstream Republicans and Democrats -- being educated people who have been exposed to the world and have gay family members and, especially, staffers -- who live in Washington DC are all privately for full equality for gay people, discrimination and bigotry are an active and vital part of the Republican social platform. this is not true for the Democrats.

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We must not censor historical references to God for the sake of political correctness. And we must truthfully represent the limited form of government the Constitution lays out so that our ‘government of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth.’ So help us God.”
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The phrase? I thought it was more than a phrase but was in fact our national motto. Anyway, no need to get heavy-handed, the monuments and their reverence for the Almighty or Creator speak for themselves.
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The phrase? I thought it was more than a phrase but was in fact our national motto. Anyway, no need to get heavy-handed, the monuments and their reverence for the Almighty or Creator speak for themselves.


"an" Almighty or Creator is more accurate.

it could well have been Allah, Vishnu, or Zeus.
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