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Old 12-02-2008, 12:51 AM   #16
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this was a little phrase designed to distinguish us from the godless communists.

it's an artifact, an antiquated pice of Cold War propaganda, nothing more.

i don't really care that it's there, and i wouldn't care if the phrase went away.
It may be there by historical accident, but it does have an impact on peoples conception of the nation.

Having said that, campaigns to get rid of these mentions of God are usually counterproductive and mobilise people against litigious atheists.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:55 AM   #17
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he made a thread to honor someone he respects.
I highly doubt this was the prime motive, frankly.

Nonetheless, point taken.

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Old 12-02-2008, 01:02 AM   #18
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Anyone care that he's dead? There are plenty of other threads out there for atheists and believers to kick the shit out of each other. I find the responses thus far quite disrespectful, honestly. I disagree with <> as much as the next guy, but he made a thread to honor someone he respects. You can score off of him in any other thread. But you don't need me to tell you that.
FYM isn't a place for memorial threads, discussion matters, and when somebody dies people should be vigorously arguing their achievements.

If we have threads about Ronald Reagan, Yasser Arafat or Pope John-Paul II people point out the flaws and may even be pleased that these characters are dead, there is no obligation to get hagiographic towards humans because they are dead.

But I'm not judging this mans life, I am judging the validity of sticking God into government, and I know how much that offends your sensibilities, but frankly I don't care, people can make their own damn minds up on the basis of what someone produces.
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:04 AM   #19
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I highly doubt this was the prime motive, frankly.

Nonetheless, point taken.

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Generally speaking, I take a lack of comments from the poster of a given article to mean that they wish for discussion to be solely about the article, and not the original posters opinion of the article. Unless you count the title, of course. Apparently, the definition of patriot varies from individual to individual.

If the Artist Formerly Known As <> is, in fact, stirring shit right now, then you can call me a hypocrite, or at the very least selective, because I've blasted A_W for the very same thing in the past.
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Generally speaking, I take a lack of comments from the poster of a given article to mean that they wish for discussion to be solely about the article, and not the original posters opinion of the article. Unless you count the title, of course. Apparently, the definition of patriot varies from individual to individual.

If the Artist Formerly Known As <> is, in fact, stirring shit right now, then you can call me a hypocrite, or at the very least selective, because I've blasted A_W for the very same thing in the past.
It takes a little naivete to not see the intentions behind some of the threads or the reasons for articles to be posted, even with a lack of further comment.

And I don't really care that much about a person that has naturally passed at age 93.
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FYM isn't a place for memorial threads
1. What's your definition of "memorial"? I've never taken the word to mean anything inherently positive, it's just a remembrance of a person's life. You can do a eulogy without worshiping whomever you're speaking about.

2. Search for "RIP" in FYM sometime. There are countless memorial threads (of every definition) to be seen. Whether or not FYM is the place for them is another topic entirely, but <> hardly broke the mold here.

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If we have threads about Ronald Reagan, Yasser Arafat or Pope John-Paul II people point out the flaws and may even be pleased that these characters are dead, there is no obligation to get hagiographic towards humans because they are dead.
And I wholly agree. Unfortunately, the current discussion is only tenuously related to the man. Unless childishly baiting one another with quotes has something to do with George Docherty. In which case, I apologize.
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Anyone care that he's dead? There are plenty of other threads out there for atheists and believers to kick the shit out of each other. I find the responses thus far quite disrespectful, honestly. I disagree with <> as much as the next guy, but he made a thread to honor someone he respects. You can score off of him in any other thread. But you don't need me to tell you that.
Well that's why I started my post with respects to his family, but as you know by now, Diamond always has an underlying motive. He won't be posting any threads to fallen gay soldiers anytime soon calling them patriots.
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Anyone care that he's dead? There are plenty of other threads out there for atheists and believers to kick the shit out of each other. I find the responses thus far quite disrespectful, honestly. I disagree with <> as much as the next guy, but he made a thread to honor someone he respects. You can score off of him in any other thread. But you don't need me to tell you that.


do you really think this thread was started solely to commemorate someone that no one has ever heard of?

this thread was subtext from the beginning. granted, not everyone has to take the bait, but there was no sort of sincerity in the first post.
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Having said that, campaigns to get rid of these mentions of God are usually counterproductive and mobilise people against litigious atheists.

true enough, it might be that active atheists (for lack of a better word) do much more to legitimize the religious than they'd ever admit to.

it's better to ignore the believers, if you really want to drive them nuts.
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If an atheist declares their position, which is usually mutually incompatible with theism, they are a fundamentalist atheist, A.C. Grayling asked the rhetorical question what is a moderate atheist, someone who believe God only partly exists? One can't take a perfectly reasonable position (there is no persuasive evidence for God, we have produced naturalistic answers for many questions) and defend the inevitable conclusions (religions are man-made, any appeal to scripture lacks authority, we have formulated our own moral systems) as well as the usual accusations (lacks objective morality, leads to abortion and faggotry etc).

Unless secular and atheistic ideas are promulgated in the public arena there is no recognition of that significant minority, it isn't a question of driving religious people nuts as much as much as it is protecting the freedom of unbelief and preventing state sponsorship of religion.

In this thread the OP is taking an imbecilic addition to the pledge of allegiance as being a long-standing piece of American history when it's really a recent addition, if you didn't have secularists raising this as an issue how many would assume that it has been there since the start?
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FYM = one nation under <>
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What would you call yourself if you don't believe in <>?
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<>=diamond.

There's no one who doesn't believe in diamond

If such a being exists he/she should be banished from the face of the earth
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<>=diamond.

There's no one who doesn't believe in diamond

If such a being exists he/she should be banished from the face of the earth
I was just wondering what I'd be called.

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I was just wondering what I'd be called.

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Rational ?
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