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Old 07-17-2014, 11:54 PM   #31
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Journalists seem to be falling for Strelkov's supposed threatening posts on social media, it's a fake account. This is the 'official' page.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:01 AM   #32
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Journalists will fall for anything these days, it's sad. We live in such a day and age where news can travel instantly, and everyone wants to be first.

It's highly irresponsible and can be dangerous.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:04 AM   #33
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As someone who flies Malaysian a lot (I get staff benefits through QANTAS and as a One World carrier we have reciprocal rights) I can say they are one of the most professional and safety conscious carriers out there.

I was woken early this morning with the news that a number of QANTAS staff were booked to fly home to Melbourne and Brisbane from Amsterdam with KL being the stop over point (MH17 was scheduled to refuel in KL and continue onto Melbourne under another flight number - same plane). In a twist of fate due to the overbooking of MH17 it appears all of them went through customs, checked bags and were at the gate waiting to board when told they would not be able to fly due to overbooking (before anyone says anything their bags were not on board at that point - staff bags go on last these days for this exact reason - saves time taking them off if the staff do not get on).

They were re-accomodated on the Cathay Pacific Amsterdam to HKIA flght instead and some on the later KLM flight (who have codeshare agreements with Malaysian even though they are not One World) with connections back to Australia tonight on QANTAS. I've been told as soon as they stepped off the flights at HKIA they were taken into rooms and told what has happened by locally based QANTAS and Malaysian staff (their flights left Amsterdam before or just as the crash happened and for obvious reasons no mention was made mid-flight).

Needless to say I am relieved as two of the Melbourne ladies are quite good frends of mine and there had been no official word they weren't on MH17 as planned.

Sadly many have lost their lives - in completely barbaric conditions. It has been one helll of a morning but please do not blame Malaysian for this. They are having a horror year and are a really good, quality airline.

I really can't add much more as we are being briefed with dribs and drabs of info at this end.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:13 AM   #34
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Malaysian Airlines are just about the last entity to blame in this, unfortunately if the Spanish ATC at the Boryspil airport in Kiev is to be believed (and judging by his tweets he does come off as legitimate) then this is something Malaysian Airlines may not have had a say in.

Also: again I'll preface this, you can take this with a grain of salt if you like, a Russian twitter account (a blogging platform of some sort) posted this tweet on the 13th.



It talks about some "info"/rumour, that "Kolomoiskiy is planning to have a surprise for Poroshenko. As per info: Something with planes." Very creepy in any case, Kolomoiskiy is one of, if not the most influential oligarch in Ukraine.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:46 AM   #35
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What about this? As always I don't know enough about the situation, but this is pretty damning of MA.

MH17: Malaysia Airlines responsible for Ukraine plane crash | Crikey

Obviously the outrage should be directed at the people who shot the fucking thing down, but if MA changed the flight route to go over a warzone to save fuel...
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:55 AM   #36
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If that's true, then I'd have to really to reconsider my earlier judgment that MA were the least deserving of the blame. That's bad, that's bloody reckless and in no way a good idea no matter the situation. That would explain a lot about why the flight path was changed so drastically, at least.

There's still a lot to find out about the reports of Ukrainian fighter jets following/'chasing' the plane up until the plane disappeared off the radar though.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:05 AM   #37
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The plane was reportedly 10km above the ground, from what I understand the rebels only have weapons/equipment that can reach up to 3km.
AP journalists reported seeing Buk launchers (of the variety that can shoot down planes flying at 72,000 feet, twice the altitude of this plane) behind rebel lines a day before the attack.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:11 AM   #38
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Yeah, I heard about that, a Guardian journalist asked the rebels about those launchers and they responded that they were under repair at the time that the plane was struck down.
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What about this? As always I don't know enough about the situation, but this is pretty damning of MA.

MH17: Malaysia Airlines responsible for Ukraine plane crash | Crikey

Obviously the outrage should be directed at the people who shot the fucking thing down, but if MA changed the flight route to go over a warzone to save fuel...
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If that's true, then I'd have to really to reconsider my earlier judgment that MA were the least deserving of the blame. That's bad, that's bloody reckless and in no way a good idea no matter the situation. That would explain a lot about why the flight path was changed so drastically, at least.
Given it was the European air traffic control who declared the flight path safe, can we really blame Malaysian Airlines for using it?
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On the topic of flying over (or avoiding) Ukraine, here are some interesting maps of which airlines did and did not: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2....html#diverted

British Airways, Air France, and one Thai Airways flight in the last week avoided Ukraine. KLM, Malaysia Airlines, Lufthansa, and the rest of the Thai Airways flights flew over Ukraine.
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:03 AM   #41
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The Ukrainian Prosecutor General now admits that the rebels DO NOT have the necessary missile systems (Buk or S-300) in operation to shoot down the plane.
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Given it was the European air traffic control who declared the flight path safe, can we really blame Malaysian Airlines for using it?

At the end of the day we can just keep making a chain-of-fault.

It was MAs fault because they didn't use caution. It was ATCs fault for allowing such air space to be flown through. Administration's fault for giving the zone clearance for ATC. Then we can start picking at individuals.

Honestly it all leads back to one bit... despite who did right and who could've done better, there's currently some group of fuckheads out there, may they be Russisn, Ukranian, or some form of rebel or terrorist group. They did it. They are responsible. This isn't 370, this isn't just a tragedy. This is also an act of savagery. Some accountability might be placed on some people here and there, but I think it's so wrong at this point to really try and point fingers at a time when everyone should be focused on the real enemy.
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One thing I always notice about myself when these things happen is that I consume, consume, consume. I've been tuned into our 24-hr news channel all day, even though much of it has been very repetitious.
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Whoever did it, there's only going to be one outcome. Russia will be blamed, Russia will get sanctions, having blame placed on Russia (regardless of whether they did or didn't) will be a positive for both the Ukrainian government and the other powers that be. I sincerely doubt that Poroshenko will receive any sort of blame, he is almost guaranteed to get what he wants.

The 'official' conclusion is already obvious.
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Where the fuck is coolian?
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