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Old 07-17-2014, 09:40 PM   #16
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A tragedy, pretty flabbergasting to wake up to.

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Such a shame. Under the assumption that this was indeed the Russians... what is it with them and shooting down civilian aircraft?
It's not something the US isn't guilty of either, is it?

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as far as I know that area was only released for commercial flights few days ago, just why in the hell would anyone want to fly over a zone where separatists got anti aircraft missiles ect ?
From what I understood the UA government had declared it a no-fly zone, I don't remember it being reversed lately.

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Putin has fanned the flames that led to this. And just gets rewarded by hosting Olympics and World Cups (and we know Blatter has no balls to move it from Russia or Qatar for that matter.) Though that is a bit off topic, allowing him to stroke his ego in the face of his wild behavior is what I'm getting at. I bet he wishes he could bring back the Soviet Union.
Where to start with this?

I do love it when many people just go the casual "Blame Russia!" route, and not taking into account the actions of the Ukrainian government which seems to get a free pass among many Westerners. And the whole "Putin wants the USSR back" is just lazy.
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Old 07-17-2014, 09:54 PM   #17
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Where to start with this?

I do love it when many people just go the casual "Blame Russia!" route, and not taking into account the actions of the Ukrainian government which seems to get a free pass among many Westerners. And the whole "Putin wants the USSR back" is just lazy.
Pretty sure annexing part of a sovereign nation with little-to-no justification and then encouraging and funding open guerrilla warfare in another part of that country probably means you should likely get the blame when people start shooting.
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Old 07-17-2014, 09:54 PM   #18
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This is scary. I am on a plane every other week due to work, mostly on international flights. It is unbelievable that some terrorist could do something like this with such a level of malice...
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A very sad event.

I hope why this happened is answered.
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:12 PM   #20
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Pretty sure annexing part of a sovereign nation with little-to-no justification and then encouraging and funding open guerrilla warfare in another part of that country probably means you should likely get the blame when people start shooting.
You missed my point, annexing a part of a country (no matter how the people living there felt about it) is not justified, but so quickly so many of you are jumping to these conclusions regardless of the UA government's recent actions and motives. It's not that simple.
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:22 PM   #21
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Why was the flight path changed?

On the 15th the same flight was made to avoid the regions of conflict.



But why did it change to go right through the heart of the conflict? Why did it happen?

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prime suspect MH17 disaster: Is this the man who shot down the plane?
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:36 PM   #23
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The plane was reportedly 10km above the ground, from what I understand the rebels only have weapons/equipment that can reach up to 3km.

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A referendum in March — widely dismissed as a farce — saw the territory incorporated into Russia.
Both the self proclaimed 'people's republics' are not and have never claimed to already be part of Russia. And it's interesting that this 'farce' had more enthusiastic involvement than the 'proper and fair' presidential elections did.
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Believe me, I'm no pro-nationalist anti-Russian character.

I wasn't even referring to KAL 007. I was speaking a bit more modern day, referring to Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 in 2001 (as a BSAE I tend to read into aviation disaster a lot).
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Believe me, I'm no pro-nationalist anti-Russian character.

I wasn't even referring to KAL 007. I was speaking a bit more modern day, referring to Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 in 2001 (as a BSAE I tend to read into aviation disaster a lot).
But wasn't that an error by the Ukrainian armed forces? I don't remember that crash at all, but upon reading, the Ukrainian armed forces even admitted that they were most likely at fault for it on that particular occasion.

(I was reading on Wikipedia so FWIW feel free to correct me)
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https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065

An ATC at Boryspil airport claims that he saw two Ukrainian jets following the plane before it disappeared off the radar.

Take it with as much credibility as you like.

The only conclusion you can come to right now is that there is no conclusion.
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Ukraine is blaming Russia and Russia is blaming Ukraine.
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But wasn't that an error by the Ukrainian armed forces? I don't remember that crash at all, but upon reading, the Ukrainian armed forces even admitted that they were most likely at fault for it on that particular occasion.

(I was reading on Wikipedia so FWIW feel free to correct me)
Sorry, my post was supposed to say I was *actually* referring to the Ukranian event.

Meaning, I was erroneously counting that as Russian in my head.
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Ukraine is blaming Russia and Russia is blaming Ukraine.
That was to be expected.
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Oh, okay. No problem.
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