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Old 11-07-2010, 07:30 PM   #1
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An Open Letter to the White Right

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Tim Wise » An Open Letter to the White Right, On the Occasion of Your Recent, Successful Temper Tantrum

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I know, you think you’ve taken “your country back” with this election — and of course you have always thought it was yours for the taking, cuz that’s what we white folks are bred to believe, that it’s ours, and how dare anyone else say otherwise — but you are wrong.

You have won a small battle in a larger war the meaning of which you do not remotely understand.

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It is coming, and soon.

This isn’t hubris. It isn’t ideology. It is not wishful thinking.

It is math.

Not even advanced math. Just simple, basic, like 3rd grade math.

The kind of math that proves how your kind — mostly older white folks beholden to an absurd, inaccurate, nostalgic fantasy of what America used to be like — are dying.

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And in the pantheon of American history, conservative old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms.

Fine, keep it up. It doesn’t matter.

Because you’re on the endangered list.

And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.

In forty years or so, maybe fewer, there won’t be any more white people around who actually remember that Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, Opie-Taylor-Down-at-the-Fishing Hole cornpone bullshit that you hold so near and dear to your heart.

There won’t be any more white folks around who think the 1950s were the good old days, because there won’t be any more white folks around who actually remember them, and so therefore, we’ll be able to teach about them accurately and honestly, without hurting your precious feelings, or those of the so-called “greatest generation” — a bunch whose white contingent was top-heavy with ethical miscreants who helped save the world from fascism only to return home and oppose the ending of it here, by doing nothing to lift a finger on behalf of the civil rights struggle.

It’s OK. Because in about forty years, half the country will be black or brown. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Nothing, Senõr Tancredo.

Nothing, Senõra Angle, or Senõra Brewer, or Senõr Beck.

Loy tiene muy mal, hijo de Puta.

And by then you will have gone all in as a white nationalist movement — hell you’ve all but done that now — thus guaranteeing that the folks of color, and even a decent size minority of us white folks will be able to crush you, election after election, from the Presidency on down to the 8th grade student council.

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We just have to be patient.

And wait for you to pass into that good night, first politically, and then, well…

Do you hear it?

The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently?
Thoughts?

I personally don't care for his style (too histrionic IMO), but I think the substance of what he is saying is true.

Especially on social issues - something like gay marriage, for example, is an inevitability, and so long as the Right wants to align itself with this losing cause, it will continue to alienate new generations of voters who no have grown up without the prejudices of their parents. And those voters, over the next several decades will age and become older and will form the voting block, which they as youth, do not.

The American right is on the wrong side of just about every social issue, and they think that they can continue to be this way with impunity. They are virulently anti-immigrant, their message has inherently failed with nearly every minority community and they don't seem to care or ask themselves why. They do so at their own peril.
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:39 PM   #2
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Reads a bit like a bitter, mean spirited 8th grade breakup letter. The guy needs to grow up
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I hear that kids break up over texts these days...
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I personally don't care for his style (too histrionic IMO), but I think the substance of what he is saying is true.
I was thinking about this stuff recently. Largely agree with your post, to the extent that the Tea Party movement seems to consist of a bunch of angry white people ranting, some of whom have really nothing in particular to be angry apart from losing a few percentage points in their retirement pensions recently but seem to have deep seated issues regarding something or other that no-one can quite put their finger on (plausibly, dreams of a faded past that most of them are either too young or too senile to remember - but I really have no idea), and some of whom have very genuine reasons to be angry but have been asleep for quite a few years, and have not really done any proper analysis or research and are too lazy to do any for themselves, so they just latch on to the latest demagague - Glen Beck or whover the flavour of the month is - in the hope he will solve their problems for them so they don't have to do any thinking.

That said, as a broader and more general point, I cannot accept the liberal line that all critiques of multiculturalism are at core motivated by racism or cultural superiority.

A desire to associate with people of largely one's own race, or even, dare I say it, to celebrate and/or commemorate the best achievements of one's particular race (can anyone seriously argue that the best classical music ever created has largely emanated from mid Europe? Can anyone seriously argue that the best athletes in the world largely hail from the African continent? Can anyone seriously argue that Iran's human rights are superior to ours?) is not necessarily racist, but frankly, simple human nature, for better or worse - though many of the people making pro-separatism arguments seem to be racists and as a moderate conservative I do not want to be associated with these types.

I worry about multiculturalism, if it is about respecting differences, then fine, but in practice it seems to me somewhat akin to a process of distilling fine whiskey into inferior brands, so what we end up with is not taking the best of each culture, but the most bland and mediocre. Hence, I dunno, Pop Idol. Or maybe Islamic-friendly versions of McDonalds.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:01 PM   #5
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I hear that kids break up over texts these days...
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:10 PM   #6
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Although the tone of the letter is a little childish as Jive Turkey points out, it still hits home with that very true statistic - that within our lifetime the minorities in the United States will be the majority.

Time marches on, and the US will become a better place for minorities, gays, and stoners.

Maybe if we really, really try hard, maybe it will even be a country where the lower and middle class are no longer deluded into thinking that the right wing cares or will do anything to further their interests.
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The American right is on the wrong side of just about every social issue

And always has been.
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And always has been.
I forgot, abraham lincoln was a liberal!
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Right, because Abraham Lincoln would fit right in with current right-wing values.
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I forgot, abraham lincoln was a liberal!
Was he trying to maintain status quo or move back to a previous time?

This is the kind of backwards logic that you and Glenn Beck types try to apply to historical figures that really illustrates how desperate you all are to apply your thinking to others and how truly horrible you all are at context.
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I forgot, abraham lincoln was a liberal!
Are you talking Republican or right wing?
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This is the kind of backwards logic that you and Glenn Beck types try to apply to historical figures that really illustrates how desperate you all are to apply your thinking to others and how truly horrible you all are at context.
I love how they're also writing Thomas Jefferson out of history books and denouncing him, since his writing doesn't really jive with the current big business-loving political right. That and he enjoyed a little brown sugar on the side.

WE MUST PRESERVE THE VALUES OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS (except Thomas Jefferson).
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*Whistles an extremely low whistle* Damn. That was...wow.

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You’re like the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass — even if it takes four sequels to make it happen — but who in the meantime keeps coming back around, grabbing at our ankles as we walk by, we having been mistakenly convinced that you were finally dead this time.
I kind of liked this analogy, I have to say .

Yes, the style is most definitely over the top. And financeguy's post was quite a good response to the article-I can't say I disagree with his statements.

But there's no doubt that the author is right on a lot of what he says in there. With each new generation comes natural progressive ideas, an acceptance of things that previous ones don't want to understand or were taught to believe were wrong. So as insanely frustrating as the setbacks in certain movements are, I do hold comfort that the tide is slowly changing and that in 10 years, hell, maybe even 5 years, we'll see a drastic difference in the way things are. I know of the success other people throughout history have had, and that's why I remain optimistic about whatever struggles are currently going on.

And then everyone will sit there seeing, for instance, gays getting married, just as they saw blacks and whites hanging out together on completely equal footing, or women in the workplace, or whatever, and wonder just what exactly the big deal really was. And those that refuse to change with the times will have to lay in the beds they've made and find some way to deal with their issues surrounding this stuff, whatever they may be.

Despite the dramatics, a fascinating read nonetheless. The guy has guts, I'll say that much, at least.

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I forgot, abraham lincoln was a liberal!
you do realise that what was considered a republican back in the 1860s is nothing like the republican party now, right? that democrats were the ones who would've been considered right-wing? back then, democrats favoured states' rights, lower taxes, etc.
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Timeless Core Republican Values > attempted weak kneed revisionist histories.
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