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Yes he did 20 31.75%
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:52 PM   #136
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That's like the reaction I alluded to earlier. You say you don't believe in God, and they react as if heaven just exploded.
There is no heaven.........

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Old 11-24-2008, 07:10 PM   #137
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That's like the reaction I alluded to earlier. You say you don't believe in God, and they react as if heaven just exploded.
I've never met another human being like that in my entire life. And western Maryland is about as conservative as it gets. It's basically an extension of West Virginia.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:14 PM   #138
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There is no heaven.........

I know, but do they?
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:16 PM   #139
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Eventually all who desire to do good will accept Christ and find that He was the author of all things good.
Aren't you a visionary?
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:19 PM   #140
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I've never met another human being like that in my entire life. And western Maryland is about as conservative as it gets. It's basically an extension of West Virginia.
That's great. In my entire time in Germany I haven't met such a person as well. But that's basically because a.) religion doesn't play a role so no one asks and b.) religious people are much more moderate, except for some parts of the south and other staunchly Catholic areas.

The overwhelming majority, thankfully, doesn't care at all about your religion, or non-religion, or at least doesn't ask.
Nevertheless, the acceptance of religious people no matter what denomination is way higher than those who don't believe at all.

And furthermore, you are religious yourself, so why should people react that way towards you? Have you ever debated agnosticism/atheism with a large bunch of those people?
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:22 PM   #141
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I've never met another human being like that in my entire life. And western Maryland is about as conservative as it gets. It's basically an extension of West Virginia.
We have a poster on this very thread who just said:

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Now I've never met anyone in my life who would say such a thing either but apparently they exist.

yolland, when will you accept Jesus?
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:45 PM   #142
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We have a poster on this very thread who just said:
Oh yeah, totally forgot about him.
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Aren't you a visionary?
Jam 1:17

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights.

Moroni 7:12

12 Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil; for the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually


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I think that entire book is a fraud, but nice try.
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Jam 1:17

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights.

Moroni 7:12

12 Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil; for the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually


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Since we're quoting fictional characters:

Gregory House: Religion is a symptom of irrational belief and groundless hope.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:56 PM   #146
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We have a poster on this very thread who just said:



Now I've never met anyone in my life who would say such a thing either but apparently they exist.

yolland, when will you accept Jesus?
Heh, yeah, I should have said "I've never encountered someone like that in real life."

The internet serves all kinds.
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Really?

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I think that entire book is a fraud, but nice try.
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They have a guy called Moron(i) in that book?
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yes, quite a fascinating character.

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I certainly have heard about what Vincent is describing before. Specifically, I'm thinking of several incidents involving visiting faculty--usually from Europe--who offhandedly said something to the effect of "Well, I'm an atheist, so I really don't care about these things" (to students, neighbors, whatever) in response to some discussion concerning religion they'd found themselves entangled in, then were startled to discover they'd clearly said something extremely unwelcome. It's not, of course, that people suddenly start pelting them with rocks and chase them into the street--more the sort of thing you sometimes encounter traveling abroad, where a comment you assumed was totally neutral and innocent clearly somehow gave offense, and you're nonplussed by that result perhaps to the point of feeling a bit hurt that whomever you're talking to doesn't know you well enough by now to see that you're a considerate, thoroughly nonmalicious sort. While I do think the generally more religious and culturally conservative nature of American society has something to do with this, and that the increased awareness of atheism via the not-always-flattering example of Hitchens, Dawkins et al. doesn't help, I also think the many decades of the 20th century Americans spent marinating in Cold War rhetoric relentlessly associating atheism with Communism, imminent threats to national integrity, and all-around menacing 'subversiveness' might play an even bigger role. That predisposes many to perceive atheism as an inherently hostile, spit-in-your-face, unnervingly 'foreign' proposition; an attack on or rejection of community somehow, and not simply a theological stance. Hence the numerous polls demonstrating that Americans are more accepting of the idea of a woman, African-American, bachelor, Jew, Muslim, or gay man in the White House than a Nice White Married Atheist Guy.

Religious exclusivism is something quite different; as a Jew I've certainly been told numerous times that I'm going to hell for "rejecting Christ" or various more benign variations thereof, but the reaction I was describing above comes from a different place than that; it's more about implied underlying understandings of community, who's a citizen in good standing and who isn't, rather than a theological insistence.
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