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Old 11-11-2010, 11:56 AM   #1
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Amazon Was Selling A Pedophile Guide

Amazon Backing Down? 'Pedophile Guide' Listing Unavailable After Outrage

Published November 11, 2010 | FoxNews.com


An e-book for sale on Amazon.com entitled "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure," was no longer available from the retailer late Wednesday after shocked consumers across the nation called for a boycott.

The title, authored by Phillip Greaves, of Pueblo, Colo., was published late last month, according to product details previously available on Amazon.com. It sold for $4.79 on the company's Kindle Store.

The listing and description of the item was no longer available early Thursday. It was unclear if the item was intentionally pulled.

"This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certian [sic] rules for these adults to follow," a product description read. "I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught."

The content led to hundreds of tweets criticizing Amazon for allowing the title to be sold and a Facebook page was created calling for a boycott of the Seattle-based company.

"This is totally unacceptable," one Facebook posting read. "This is not about freedom of speech. This is a HOW TO GUIDE FOR PEDOPHILES! Shame on you Amazon.com."

Another posting read: "They are screwing themselves over just in time for holiday shopping."

Earlier Wednesday, Amazon stood by its decision to sell the e-book.

"Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable," the company said in a written statement. "Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions."

Online child safety advocacy group Enough is Enough said it wasn't surprised that someone would publish such a book. Selling the book lends the impression that child abuse is normal, the group said.

That doesn't mean Amazon should be prohibited from selling it, countered Christopher Finan, president of the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression. He said that Amazon has the right under the First Amendment to sell any book that is not child pornography or legally obscene. Finan said Greaves' book doesn't amount to either because it does not include illustrations.

This isn't the first time Amazon has sold material that promotes illegal activity. It is currently accepting pre-orders for the hardcover version of "I Am the Market: How to Smuggle Cocaine by the Ton, in Five Easy Lessons" by Luca Rastello.

Nor is it the first time Amazon has come under attack for selling objectionable content in its store. In 2002, the United States Justice Foundation, a conservative group, threatened to sue Amazon for selling "Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers." That title is still available through Amazon.

In 2009, Amazon stopped selling "RapeLay," a first-person video game in which the protagonist stalks and then rapes a mother and her daughters, after it was widely condemned in the media and by various interest groups.

FoxNews.com's Joshua Rhett Miller and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I agree 100%-that's just wrong. When it comes to this issue, freedom of speech up to a point, even though I am not for censoring books or for determining what anyone should be able to read. Reading what the "author" says here, well it speaks for itself. Not that they need any sort of "guide" in order to do what they do.


Amazon.com Yanks Philip R. Greaves' Pedophilia E-Book Amid Boycott Threats

Many of the postings on Amazon's discussion page focus on the book's contents and how users find them objectionable, but a few also lashed out at Amazon's apparent decision to remove the book.

"They sure screwed themselves by reversing that statement and removing the book!!!! Who is going to believe anything you say ever again, Amazon? Fix it before it's too late. Put it back up and stand strong for the constitution!!!" wrote one user.

Others supported Amazon's initial stance against censorship.

"While I think 99.9% of us object to pedophilia (even though i think this particular book was a publicity stunt/joke), I think we can all agree that we don't want someone else censoring a subject matter that we may be interested in," another user wrote. "Religion, Atheism, homosexuality, etc. are some subjects that spring to mind .. .and they have been censored in the past until we realized that it's best to let all information in (even if we don't like some of it), rather than allow some authority or individual decide what we can and can't know about based on their own opinions or motivations."

Meanwhile, the book's author, 47-year-old Philip R. Greaves, is speaking out in defense of his self-published work.

Greaves, a former nurse's aide from Pueblo, Colo., told the local Channel 9 TV station there that he wrote the book to change people's perception of pedophiles. "Every time you see them on television, they're either murderers, rapists or kidnappers, and, you know, that's just not an accurate presentation of that particular sexuality," he said.

"True pedophiles love children and would never hurt them," Greaves told CNN.

He said he considers his book a how-to guide for pedophiles to indulge their fantasy while abiding by U.S. laws. "I wrote the book to establish guidelines so that people would behave in a manner that is non-injurious to each other," he told ABC News.

"Penetration is out. You can't do that with a child, but kissing and fondling I don't think is that big of a problem," Greaves told CNN.

Local authorities in Greaves' hometown, however, disagree. Mike Harris, the Jefferson County district attorney's investigator, told Channel 9 that he's in favor of freedom of speech -- up to a point. "When it fuels the motive for people on how to approach kids, how to find kids, how to touch kids and sexually abuse them, that's just wrong," he said.
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They're a private business; they can decide what to sell without it being called "censorship." Is it a tricky slope? Sure. If they start randomly removing books based on subject matter, it could cost them business.

On the other hand, if they DON'T remove certain books based on subject matter, it could cost them business as well.

I think they made the right decision.

No comment on Mr. Greaves. Gotta love the self-publishing business.
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amazon sells a lot of crazy stuff for the kindle. pretty much anything goes.
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He said he considers his book a how-to guide for pedophiles to indulge their fantasy while abiding by U.S. laws. "I wrote the book to establish guidelines so that people would behave in a manner that is non-injurious to each other,"
If this is indeed true then they have every right to sell or not sell the "book".

I question how exactly he does this though...
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not selling this book is a mistake

how can it be a bad thing to have pedos ordering this book over the internet?

because we all know everything that is done on the internet is completely anonymous and untraceable.
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"Penetration is out. You can't do that with a child, but kissing and fondling I don't think is that big of a problem," Greaves told CNN.



kissing and fondling a child is not a big problem?
what the fuck .

to hell with freedom of speech someone arrest this guy.

pedos are the lowest form of life on earth.
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"True pedophiles love children and would never hurt them," Greaves told CNN.
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"Penetration is out. You can't do that with a child, but kissing and fondling I don't think is that big of a problem," Greaves told CNN.
Um. 'Kay .

Like stated, private business, their choice to decide what to do. But there's books about all sorts of sick, depraved stuff out there, unfortunately. And pedophiles would keep on doing what they do, book or no book. At the very least, the only thing I could see coming from this as some sort of benefit would be that it could perhaps be another tool to give psychologists and others of similar ilk who study this stuff some insight into the mindset behind pedophilia. After all, how are we supposed to deal with such horrific situations if we don't figure out the who, what, where, when, why behind such things? No matter how awful the material, banning it won't help or solve the problems associated with it.

That being said, the book itself sounds downright sick and disturbing, no question. The quoted parts above are...yeesh. Sorry, but the "stereotype" constantly being associated with pedophiles is the first thing that does jump into my head. I find it incredibly hard to believe that people who abuse kids in such a manner can be "reformed", and usually when I hear stories about pedophiles, they are often associated with murder, rape, and kidnapping. I think your mind has to be very unbalanced, to put it mildly, to do such a thing to a child, and if you're messed up enough to abuse a child that way, generally I've no problem believing you're quite capable of committing and very likely to commit other crimes that are similar in their horror. Anyone out there with studies or knowledge of such matters that can educate, correct, or expand on this belief, however, please feel free to do so.

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I find it incredibly hard to believe that people who abuse kids in such a manner can be "reformed"
I don't think they can be reformed at all. I think pedophilia is a sexual orientation, something that you don't consciously decide and can't force one way or the other. Pedophiles truly believe that they love children and children love them back.
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I think that private for profit companies like Amazon can still balance free speech and commerce with sound moral judgment and common sense. Especially when it comes to illegal activities and protecting people who adults are supposed to protect-like children. When you are profiting off of that well you have certain responsibilities. Is anyone really going to protest that they won't sell their how to guide for pedophiles? Maybe-maybe this guy could take it to court and win.
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On the other hand, if they DON'T remove certain books based on subject matter, it could cost them business as well.
that's about what i was thinking
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"Penetration is out. You can't do that with a child, but kissing and fondling I don't think is that big of a problem," Greaves told CNN.



kissing and fondling a child is not a big problem?
what the fuck .

to hell with freedom of speech someone arrest this guy.

pedos are the lowest form of life on earth.
Jen, I agree. This makes me sick to my stomach.
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So disgusting, done with amazon.
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