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Old 10-12-2010, 07:01 PM   #16
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Killing themselves to stay afloat financially, I'm guessing. It seems like we've become completely parentless in the effort just to stay solvent...
Some of these stories are happening in very affluent schools, so I don't buy this theory.

Assholes often raise assholes. Bigots often raise bigots. etc...

Some will break the mold, especially if there are generational changes helping.

Now don't get me wrong economics can play a huge role, in both extremes.

But I'm not about to blame a recession for bad parenting.
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Some of these stories are happening in very affluent schools, so I don't buy this theory.
Agreed. Every bully that I remember at the college age was a private school asshole or "mean girl." And I'd bet many of their mothers didn't work outside of the home.
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Old 10-12-2010, 09:27 PM   #18
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Some of these stories are happening in very affluent schools
Which are very expensive, hence why I'm guessing both parents are working in order to keep them there. Particularly given the economic straits we're in.

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But I'm not about to blame a recession for bad parenting.
The question was, "where are the parents who raise these kids?" A plausible answer is, "working." I'm willing to wonder whether absentee parenting is at least part of the factor. Or is there a problem with considering the broad socio-economic factors that might be at play here?
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Which are very expensive, hence why I'm guessing both parents are working in order to keep them there. Particularly given the economic straits we're in.
Ok, but I have a hard time using the phrase "killing themselves to stay afloat" when talking about those schools. Sure there may be a few families, but I wouldn't say the norm.


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The question was, "where are the parents who raise these kids?" A plausible answer is, "working." I'm willing to wonder whether absentee parenting is at least part of the factor. Or is there a problem with considering the broad socio-economic factors that might be at play here?
No, I don't think there's a problem per se, just a lack of parmeters.

Are we suggesting since both parents started joining the work force?

Are we suggesting the recent recession?

What are we suggesting?
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Not to be off topic here, but one reason for all these allergic kids
might be that mothers are no longer breasts feeding their babies.

Mother's milk has a lot of good stuff.

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That is so outrageous that no one is being taught respect of human life or peoples unfortunate health issues.

My nephew who is 7 has a peanut/egg allergy. The egg allergy being more serious than the peanut but will go into anaphalictic shock. His epipen is his best friend. Its not that uncommon anymore for people not to realize the deadly affects an allergy can have on a child. My sons 2 friends also have peanut allergies. This world is in a sad state if thats the only thing they can find to pick on certain kids about.
I agree. My grand daughter is only six years old and understands all about my blood sugar issues. Knowing that grandmom eats lots of veggies (complex carbs), lean meats and certain foods grandmom can't have.

With her parents approval of course. This is teaching her that people can and do have medical conditions. One of her best friends has asthma. She knows if her friend is having trouble breathing to go get her mommy right away.
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Not to be off topic here, but one reason for all these allergic kids
might be that mothers are no longer breasts feeding their babies.

Mother's milk has a lot of good stuff.

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Well the science seems split on this as well...
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Well the science seems split on this as well...


We seem to follow the propaganda that best fits our views, I guess.
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I live in a lower to middle income neighborhood. And I have to say that most parents are doing a very good job raising their children. Both tend to have jobs, especially when the children reach school age. But, the children are not left unattended. There are after school programs and babysitters, daycare. Two incomes are usually needed to make the house payments, car, utilities, food, etc.

So, I don't think income is the problem. Lack of boundries and respect for others is.
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Breast is best but despite my best and extended nursing efforts given my own environmental allergies, my daughter is allergic to peanuts.

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No, I don't think there's a problem per se, just a lack of parmeters.
And consequences. And modeling good behaviour on how to treat people properly. So absence due to excessive working and job-related stress are definitely contributing factors. Parents who feel guilty generally aren't good disciplinarians.

Although I've observed the bigger problem to be parents who, when presented with situations of their child's bullying behaviour, completely deny any wrongdoing - not MY little Bobby - as if their parenting skills were in question in a personal attack rather than recognizing a teachable moment.
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Breast is best but despite my best and extended nursing efforts given my own environmental allergies, my daughter is allergic to peanuts.



And consequences. And modeling good behaviour on how to treat people properly. So absence due to excessive working and job-related stress are definitely contributing factors. Parents who feel guilty generally aren't good disciplinarians.

Although I've observed the bigger problem to be parents who, when presented with situations of their child's bullying behaviour, completely deny any wrongdoing - not MY little Bobby - as if their parenting skills were in question in a personal attack rather than recognizing a teachable moment.
You nailed it. Yep, that is exactly it. "Not my little Bobby." I agee. Use it as teaching "Bobby" that he can not hit or disrespect others. And sometimes you have physco parents who raise their kids to be criminal.
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We seem to follow the propaganda that best fits our views, I guess.
Well we know that you fall for propaganda, you've actually admitted to it recently.

But I know first hand that breast feeding isn't a necessity. I myself am adopted and grew up dealing with adopted kids, so don't feed me the propaganda line.
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Not to be off topic here, but one reason for all these allergic kids
might be that mothers are no longer breasts feeding their babies.

Mother's milk has a lot of good stuff.

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I was bottlefed as a baby. Allergy-free. Can eat any food with no problem. Same with my sister. If women choose to breastfeed, fantastic, go for it, but some don't want to, and that's their choice, too. I get the feeling the risks to their children will most likely be more or less the same either way.

AliEnvy hit the nail on the head. I fully understand many parents, especially parents nowadays, have to work extra hard to take care of their families, and can't always be home with their children as often as they want or need to be. But even a hectic schedule shouldn't cause you to forget to teach your kids things like manners and respect. It's not like you need to carve time out of your day to teach those simple concepts.

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Not to be off topic here, but one reason for all these allergic kids
might be that mothers are no longer breasts feeding their babies.
Except there is no science to support that view.

And there is science to support the Th1/Th2 theory of peanut allergy.

But of course that isn't as sexy for you as yelling about the government trying to kill us with baby formula or aspartame.
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That is awful and I'm not making light of it but there is a funny scene in an Australian comedy mocumentary called Summer Heights High where Mr G talks about one of the little trouble makers in his class who has a peanut allergy and how he keeps a jar of peanut butter in his desk to 'deal with him.'
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