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Old 08-14-2014, 07:16 PM   #16
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:50 PM   #17
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At a price, of course.

Sorry to be so cynical about it.

I feel the same way about proselytizing antitheists.
I can understand your cynicism.
There are a lot of hucksters out there.
I do know of some authors that take their proceeds and donate it all to the poor.

I think that's the best recourse.

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Old 08-14-2014, 10:33 PM   #18
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My grandfather passed away a week and a half ago and this is a question I've been greatly struggling with. I'm struggling to figure out just what religious beliefs I believe in, I consider myself nominally Christian, but I'm moving towards atheism. I just wish I knew whether he was still around in the afterlife if there is one, or if he's just gone.


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Old 08-15-2014, 04:43 AM   #19
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He'll always live on in the memories of the people that loved him.
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My grandfather passed away a week and a half ago and this is a question I've been greatly struggling with. I'm struggling to figure out just what religious beliefs I believe in, I consider myself nominally Christian, but I'm moving towards atheism. I just wish I knew whether he was still around in the afterlife if there is one, or if he's just gone.


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This sums up exactly how I feel. Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond.
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I don't believe there is an afterlife, as I am an atheist.

But when my grandmother was on her death bed, I had an incredible conversation with her. Personally, I am petrified of dying. And I asked her, "aren't you afraid?" And she simply smiled at me, and she said "no, because I know I am going to be reunited with Pa Pa." Pa had died three years earlier and Nan had never been the same since. She 110% believed that her death would mean she was finally going to be reunited with the man to whom she was married for six decades. It was one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard, and it's why I would never admonish someone for believing

 
unless of course they're a cunt about their belief and think they can say who can and can't get married.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:10 PM   #22
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One of the nicer things about the end of my grandmother's life was that she was so very OK with it whenever it was her time to go. Like your situation, my grandfather had preceded her in death, but by about 12 years. They were married for a very long time, not sure exactly how long, but I'd think somewhere around 50 years (I don't recall us having a 50th anniversary shindig, so I think he passed away just short of that). But, yeah, whenever something was wrong with her, she'd always tell us not to worry, because she was (besides being ready to meet Jesus) looking forward to seeing my grandfather again. She was very lonely for those 12 years without him, even though she was always surrounded by friends and family. It was nice, to me, that she had something to be so positive about, despite losing her life's long best friend.
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But when my grandmother was on her death bed, I had an incredible conversation with her. Personally, I am petrified of dying. And I asked her, "aren't you afraid?" And she simply smiled at me, and she said "no, because I know I am going to be reunited with Pa Pa." Pa had died three years earlier and Nan had never been the same since. She 110% believed that her death would mean she was finally going to be reunited with the man to whom she was married for six decades. It was one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard, and it's why I would never admonish someone for believing

My grandmother is a devout Catholic and one of the main things that's keeping her going is the belief that she'll see my Papa again. He died so suddenly and without warning that she didn't really get to say goodbye, she just went to sleep with him like any other night. I'm so happy that she has that hope and I definitely think one of the pluses of believing in the afterlife is a sense of hope that you'll one day see the people you love again.


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Old 08-15-2014, 05:35 PM   #24
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If it makes people at ease, cool. If it makes people put out conditions to get into for their own personal gain (while living) then it's an issue.

Most of us are scared of death. In fact it's what most likely created these myths in the first place. When we became aware of our own mortality, how terrifying to know that you, everyone you know, EVERYONE will die. Makes sense to calm the anxiety by creating another life to move on to.

As for the NDE or "heaven is real"..there are plenty of scientific articles and scientists who can explain them.

There is no conspiracy to hide the "truth". Don't you think if someone did prove heaven was real, It would be the single greatest discovery of mankind?

Instead it's a book tour and potential movie script. There just isn't any evidence. Circumstantial or anecdotal doesn't count. They are nice stories (most of the time) and again if it does give someone some peace, good for them.


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Old 08-15-2014, 09:57 PM   #25
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Atheist here... there is no afterlife


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Like all matters of faith (questions like is there a God), it's impossible to prove whether or not there is an afterlife. If people want to believe there is one, good. If people don't want to believe there is one, good. But it's scientifically impossible to prove.


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The existence of Santa is scientifically impossible to prove....or fairies....but we don't live our lives with the chance THEY might. We're pretty certain it's made up.

Same with an afterlife. We all managed to cope with finding out about Santa, we can cope with death too


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I consider myself agnostic but I can see the possibility of something beyond the death of our physical bodies. I do think there is a chance that ghosts exist, which would support some kind of an afterlife. I don't put much faith in NDEs because I think it's quite possibly just the brain's reaction to a medical trauma. My dad died from complications of a very minor outpatient surgery. I remember visiting
with him the day before and being bothered by the thought that I was never going to see him again, even though there was no reason to think that. Unfortunately, I was right and I've always been haunted by this. I was very close to my dad and still have very vivid dreams about him, as if he was still with me. I may be naive, but it brings me peace.
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The existence of Santa is scientifically impossible to prove....or fairies....but we don't live our lives with the chance THEY might. We're pretty certain it's made up.

Same with an afterlife. We all managed to cope with finding out about Santa, we can cope with death too


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Santa and fairies are completely different than an afterlife. Santa and fairies are worldly phenomena that we know are myths. It's possible to prove that there isn't a Santa and that there aren't fairies. Science can disprove the existence of fairies and Santa, just as science can disprove things like ghosts and Bigfoot. The afterlife is something different, it's something that isn't scientifically possible to prove or disprove.


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Old 08-16-2014, 08:56 PM   #30
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Well somebody needs to get with this former Atheist, Howard Storm.
Masters Degree, Art Professor.

He went to a bad place, then a good place, and met God.

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