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Old 07-20-2011, 05:51 PM   #1
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Sarah Palin Is Going to Be a Grandmother Again

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Sarah Palin is going to be a grandmother again. Eldest child Track Palin married high school sweetheart Britta Hanson two months ago, and now we hear that Britta is pregnant. The picture above of "Britta Pie," which was posted on a Wasilla friend's Facebook wall, confirms the news she's expecting. Britta looks to be several months along
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I would no more trust the Palins to model sex ed than I would to model how to win the presidency.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:08 PM   #3
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Maybe she couldn't afford her birth control pills.
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She would be more likely to get with Starburns than a guy named Track.
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fuck, i wanted to make the water filter joke.
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fuck, i wanted to make the water filter joke.
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The girl's name is Britta.
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The girl's name is Britta.
Oh crap I wasn't even paying attention to that part. Thanks.
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Los Angeles Times, Sep 6 2008
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Palin's statements [on sex-ed] date to her 2006 gubernatorial run. In July of that year, she completed a candidate questionnaire that asked "Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage programs instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?"

Palin wrote, "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." But in August of that year, Palin was asked during a KTOO radio debate if "explicit" programs include those that discuss condoms. Palin said no and called discussions of condoms "relatively benign." "Explicit means explicit," she said. "No, I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something I would support also."

...Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and contraception.
Not that this says anything one way or the other about the views of her adult son and his adult wife.
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I have to say that of my friends, who are either atheist/agnostic, or very nominally religious, or of those whose parents were very pro-active about sex-ed (putting their daughters on birth control, facilitating access to contraceptives via their drug plans, etc), not a single one, ever, ever got pregnant prior to marriage. Not one. Relatively few of them are married (I'd say maybe 25%), and none of those are divorced.

Among those that I know who were intensely religious or whose parents were such that sex was a completely taboo topic in the house, I know of three shotgun weddings (two of which eventually resulted in divorce, though one has now successfully re-married another individual and has what I believe is a very happy marriage), and three instances of single mothers of one or two kids. All six cases were such that the girls were pregnant between the age of 15 and 22. So out of the six, you have one couple who subsequently married and is still together and raising that child. Of the remaining 5, from what I understand 2 of the fathers are very involved, financially and otherwise, the third one is in and out of the child's life, and the last two are totally absent (one of them due to the province having deemed him unfit to have any access with his child). I ask you how many of my taxpayer dollars have gone to these families vs how many went to the first group? Yeah, it's $X to ZERO.

It is one thing to introduce the concept of abstinence in schools as a choice that is made by certain individuals due to religious or personal reasons. But such a topic should also be bolstered by the statistics of FAILURE of this method and the strong emphasis that should a teenager or young adult who has chosen the abstinence route find themselves waivering, then contraception is an absolute must. And the kids need to know about the types, and it needs to be readily available. Instead we're cutting Planned Parenthood (though 97% of their services have nothing to do with abortion), refusing to provide condoms in school (lest the kids all start screwing each other during math class), and bitching about a proposal that would make oral contraceptives free.

Incomprehensible, truly and really.
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Oh, I knew quite a few nominally-through-to-non-religious girls and young women who got pregnant outside marriage. Especially in high school. Girls/women whose parents personally provided contraceptives for them, that may be a different story; I'm honestly not sure I've known anyone by that description, so I couldn't say. But I agree the mentality that preventing unwanted pregnancies is solely a problem for people (read: women) 'immoral' and 'irresponsible' enough to 'cause' them, and not one of direct interest for society at large, is head-in-the-sand lunacy. A big part of the problem, either way really (i.e. abstinence ed or contraception ed), is the immature and contradictory mix of received attitudes towards sex that teenagers and to a lesser extent young adults marinate in--on the one hand it's apparently this reckless and rebellious and bad thing to be honestly discussed only in secret, on the other hand it's apparently an indispensable component of being cool, socially successful and desirable. That's a terrible social environment in which to ask teenagers to choose a responsible ethic and stick to it.
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I think it has to do with the fact that most women that I am friends with are professionals who stayed in school anywhere for 6-10 years post-high school and so that skews the anecdotal results.

I was one of those people who was put on the pill by my Mom - well she didn't force me, but when I wanted to go on it, she took me to the doctor and always had it reimbursed by her health plan. I honestly could not be more grateful, and no, it didn't make me go and sleep with every man who passed me by. The one thing that I have wondered for a while is why abstinence until marriage is even supposed to be a good thing. It is commonly cited that sexual incompatibility is a top three reason for divorce - is it not then in the interest of a good marriage to be sexually compatible? I am not saying you need to go out there and sleep with a hundred people, but if you are in an adult and committed relationship and you plan on marrying this individual, why NOT have a sexual relationship with them? Just seems sort of strange to me.
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Old 07-21-2011, 04:12 PM   #15
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Hey, fuck marriage. I'm from the province of Quebec, baby...where everyone's shackin' up. Sometimes with kids, but not always with the official marriage.





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