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Old 06-01-2009, 02:04 PM   #46
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I dont think thats fair. If someone is willing to let a tv personality convince them to commit murder, they're obviously highly disturbed.


yes, absolutely. i do not blame O'Reilly for this. i blame O'Reilly for helping to create an atmosphere that exist on extremists parts of the anti-abortion movement that views these battles as part of a war and doctors as murderers. when it's dramatic, when it's heated, when it seems like there's a whole lot at stake, then that's some good TV right there.

it should absolutely be noted that the vast, vast majority of anti-abortionists are appalled by the murder and know that such actions set their cause back decades (just like the vast majority of Muslims are repulsed by terrorism committed in their name).
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:35 PM   #47
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it should absolutely be noted that the vast, vast majority of anti-abortionists are appalled by the murder and know that such actions set their cause back decades (just like the vast majority of Muslims are repulsed by terrorism committed in their name).
agreed. Also, I'm curious to hear what Bill O'Reily said?
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For some reason, I was watching MSNBC just now, and they had an abortion doctor on the phone. He said that the only difference between the anti-abortion movement and the Taliban is 8000 miles. He did not mention that this killer was an extremist. He did not mention that there are sane people on both sides and extremists on both sides. He did mention, though, that people of the pro-life persuasion basically go around committing terrorism and killing people. I'll look to see if the video appears on youtube in the coming days, because I couldn't believe what this man was saying.

And as usual, David Shuster challenged him on those statements.




















Oh no, wait, I'm sorry. I'm mistaken. Shuster didn't say jack squat.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:57 PM   #49
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For some reason, I was watching MSNBC just now, and they had an abortion doctor on the phone.
I wish that people would stop referring to them as "abortion doctors." They are ob/gyns who happen to also perform D&Cs, much like they perform C-sections and a host of other medical procedures. But we wouldn't want people to think that these doctors actually provide medical services aside from all the baby killin'.
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But we wouldn't want people to think that these doctors actually provide medical services aside from all the baby killin'.


nor do we want to talk about *why* late term abortions are performed -- baby killin' is just easier to say. all that "moral clarity" stuff.
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Nevermind the fact that these comprise such a small number of abortions as to be nearly negligible proportionally.

It does strike me that nearly all of the leaders of the loudest, most militant pro-life organizations are white men, and nearly all of those who commit acts of domestic terrorism against clinics and doctors, are, likewise, white men.
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It does strike me that nearly all of the leaders of the loudest, most militant pro-life organizations are white men, and nearly all of those who commit acts of domestic terrorism against clinics and doctors, are, likewise, white men.


i suppose they should be sent to Gitmo?
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i suppose they should be sent to Gitmo?
Well maybe after we round up all the gays who wanna marry. Priorities.
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Well, we've touched on Bill O'Reilly, activist judges, Gitmo, and gay marriage in this thread.

Can we work in global warming somehow?
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Should be interesting to see if the "pro-lifers" (who are also usually pro-capital-punishment) will be pro-capital-punishment in this case

Irony all around....
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Well, we've touched on Bill O'Reilly, activist judges, Gitmo, and gay marriage in this thread.

Can we work in global warming somehow?


i do sense a common thread that units them all ... and it's railed against nightly on Fox News.
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It does strike me that nearly all of the leaders of the loudest, most militant pro-life organizations are white men, and nearly all of those who commit acts of domestic terrorism against clinics and doctors, are, likewise, white men.
Most serial killers are also white males. I'm sure theres a link there somewhere.

Also, does anyone else find it somewhat hypocritical that the late term abortion doctors (sorry anitram) are being targeted by the extremists? If a life is a life as soon as the baby is concieved, why would the late term abortions be more of a concern to these people? Sounds like theyre making distinctions in spite of their principles (or am I over simplifying?)
Being pro choice, I find late term abortions fucked up, but I have no problem making that distinction between embryo and fully developed baby. (I realize that sometimes there is a justifiable cause for late term abortion though)
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It does strike me that nearly all of the leaders of the loudest, most militant pro-life organizations are white men, and nearly all of those who commit acts of domestic terrorism against clinics and doctors, are, likewise, white men.
Oh wow, it strikes me that a lot of blacks are fast runners!! And did you hear about the Jews and their plans for world domination???

Look, men are more likely to commit acts of violence than women, period.

But there are plenty of women involved in leading 'militant' pro-life organisations.

Actually, in Ireland, probably the most prominent militant pro-life campaigner during the 1990's was a woman, Niamh Nic MhathĂșna:

http://www.youthdefence.ie/history--1995/
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it should absolutely be noted that the vast, vast majority of anti-abortionists are appalled by the murder and know that such actions set their cause back decades (just like the vast majority of Muslims are repulsed by terrorism committed in their name).
Thank you.
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If a life is a life as soon as the baby is concieved, why would the late term abortions be more of a concern to these people? Sounds like theyre making distinctions in spite of their principles (or am I over simplifying?)
I think that has to do mostly with the fact that there are fewer such doctors in the US and the ones that do exist have gained notoriety through these pro-life groups that picket them, write about them, and so on. So it's more that they're "famous" and probably easier targets that way. Of course, it's also easier to get outraged about them, which adds to the situation.
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