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Old 05-31-2009, 06:45 PM   #21
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you say it was sheer coincidence?
The murder of George Tiller was not a coincidence.


I do not believe that murderers are representative of the pro-life interest group.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:00 PM   #22
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The murder of George Tiller was not a coincidence.


I do not believe that murderers are representative of the pro-life interest group.
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"Pro-life" indeed... as long as he gets to choose which life.

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Have pro-choice people ever killed anyone? Well, with a gun, I mean?
This... ah, the irony.
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Warren Hern, a Colorado physician and close friend of Tiller's who said he is now "the only doctor in the world" who performs late-term abortions, said Tiller's death was predictable.

"I think it's the inevitable consequence of more than 35 years of constant anti-abortion terrorism, harassment and violence. George is the fifth American doctor to be assassinated. I get messages from these people saying, 'Don't bother wearing a bulletproof vest, we're going for a head shot.' "

When President Obama was elected last fall, Hern predicted that anti-abortion violence would increase, he said. Because Obama supports legalized abortion, said Hern, its foes "have lost ground. . . . They want the doctors dead, and they invite people to assassinate us. No wonder that this happens. . . . I am next on the list."
Frightening.
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Everyday I'm given a very good reason to hate the country I live in.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:32 PM   #26
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"Pro-life" indeed... as long as he gets to choose which life.
"I'm Pro-Life, and I'm going to kill you."

It's irony on a base level.
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Indeed, it is frightening that a small number of doctors are prepared to perform this barbarism against the wishes of the public.
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Indeed, it is frightening that a small number of doctors are prepared to perform this barbarism against the wishes of the public.
The only people who aren't replying that the act of assassinating a doctor is disgusting are the ones who want to take potshots at liberals.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:44 PM   #29
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Indeed, it is frightening that a small number of doctors are prepared to perform this barbarism against the wishes of the public.
These lunatics are targeting all doctors performing D&Cs, not just the one or two guys who perform late-term abortions. In fact I believe that the figure is that there have been over 6000 cases of abortion-related domestic terrorism since Roe v. Wade, and this has included murder, kidnapping, bombing, arson, assaults and so on.

If you think the public is against abortion, you might want to take a look at super-liberal South Dakota, which passed just such a law, and then the people of SD had a serious case of buyer's remorse when they realized exactly what that meant. Great case study.
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Every group has extremists.

Nothing good comes out of extremism...

I hope his family finds comfort and that this man carries out his life in prison.
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The only people who aren't replying that the act of assassinating a doctor is disgusting are the ones who want to take potshots at liberals.

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Dr. George Tiller, late-term abortionist, was murdered today just after 10 am in the lobby of Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, KS, where he and his wife were active members.

Whoever murdered George Tiller has done a gravely wicked thing. The evil of this action is in no way diminished by the blood George Tiller had on his own hands. No private individual had the right to execute judgment against him. We are a nation of laws. Lawless violence breeds only more lawless violence. Rightly or wrongly, George Tiller was acquitted by a jury of his peers. "Vengeance is mine, says the Lord." For the sake of justice and right, the perpetrator of this evil deed must be prosecuted, convicted, and punished.

By word and deed, let us teach that violence against abortionists is not the answer to the violence of abortion. Every human life is precious. George Tiller's life was precious. We do not teach the wrongness of taking human life by wrongfully taking a human life. Let our "weapons" in the fight to defend the lives of abortion's tiny victims, be chaste weapons of the Spirit.

Our prayers are with the family of Dr. George Tiller
during this difficult time of loss.

From Jill Stanek’s PRO-Life site.

When it would have been easier to look the other way, Jill Stanek’s commitment to Christ led her to risk her job, reputation, and friendships to stop the terrible practices of abortion and infanticide.

Jill Stanek
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:19 PM   #32
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From Jill Stanek’s PRO-Life site.

When it would have been easier to look the other way, Jill Stanek’s commitment to Christ led her to risk her job, reputation, and friendships to stop the terrible practices of abortion and infanticide.

Jill Stanek
I was talking about the thread itself.

But I understand what you're saying, regardless.
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Great, why didn't he blow up a clinic as well, that too would help the pro-life reputation.

lame sarcasm I know
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This is a tragedy and a crime.

Prayers are with the doctor and his family.
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This is a tragedy and a crime.

Prayers are with the doctor and his family.
ditto.

it made matters worse.

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If someone really is pro-life, and really believe abortion (or in this case specifically, late-term abortion) is the murder of a baby, how can they not applaud this shooting?

I think that's why I'm not (at least I don't consider myself) pro-life anymore. I did, at one time. I felt like nobody could give me an answer to the question "when does the foetus become sentient/self aware" so, objectively, I always leaned toward erring on the side of caution; don't kill it, it might be alive. A difficult position for my generally far left leaning self, as most of the people I associate(d) with were more left as well, and in any group I generally stuck out as the only pro-lifer. And I'd get in heated debates. And the worst part of it was I generally believed/agreed with most of the points the pro-choicers made, in particular the argument that desperate women will always find a way, but that people would die in the process.

But I don't think I could shoot down a doctor who performs abortions. It would certainly give me pause, whereas firing on a child murderer would not. So I guess, subjectively, I don't see the foetus as "alive" in the sense that a baby is alive. And that led me to a sort of compromise. I guess I'm pro-choice/anti-abortion. And I think that's what most pro-choice people are. It's a pretty recent shift for me, as recently as 5 years ago I was pretty strongly pro-life.

And I wonder how the traditional "pro-life" movement can be so short-sighted. Do these people really think shooting doctors, bombing clinics, and passing laws will stop abortion? Sure, you bomb a clinic and you stop the abortions they might have done tomorrow; shoot a doctor and obviously the procedure he had scheduled for Tuesday is off. But these people (generally) don't want to educate teens about safer sex practices. They don't want their tax dollars going to help poor single mothers. They just don't think "big picture" when it comes to abortion. Why not look to improve an environment where women feel their best/only choice is to terminate their pregnancy?

Sorry for the derail.
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"I'm Pro-Life, and I'm going to kill you."

It's irony on a base level.
the man in your avatar had some great bits on exactly this
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:59 AM   #38
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For the life of me I will never understand the killings of abortion doctors no matter what my opinion is. Isn't it hypocritical, they want him to stop killing babies so lets kill him. Unsensable useless act of violence.
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sounds like terrorism to me.

and O'Reilly is as culpable as, say, Al-Jazerra.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:42 AM   #40
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but people, some people's live are more or less valuable than others. it's like trade charts in the NFL. would you trade Aaron Rodgers for Chris Simms?
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