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Old 03-10-2009, 03:16 PM   #16
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‘White guilt’ helps Islamists, moderate Muslims say

Did you read it?
Yes, I did read it, and I noticed it wasn't exactly the most objective piece I've ever read...

That's why I thought maybe you could elaborate and help me cut through the narrow minded bias, but maybe not...
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:49 PM   #17
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People are afraid of speaking their minds for fear of not sounding politically correct. I don't think it's narrow minded, I feel it often has a detrimental effect.
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People are afraid of speaking their minds for fear of not sounding politically correct.
I don't think it has anything to do with "political correctness" I think that's an outdated term invented by certain people on the right because they were tired of being told their views were ignorant.

People should be afraid of speaking their minds if they are uninformed...

Too many folks have strong opinions about shit they know nothing about...
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Old 03-10-2009, 04:26 PM   #19
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Too many folks have strong opinions about shit they know nothing about...
You think that includes the Muslims mentioned in this article? They should be allowed to stand up against those who subvert their religion.
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Old 03-10-2009, 04:52 PM   #20
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Iron Horse may be a credulous fool when it comes to the big questions (my opinion), but even a broken clock is right twice a day, why are people so timid when it comes to an ideology which people murder for, why shouldn't the Koran be held to the same critical standard which we treat the bible?
FOXNews.com - Critic Says Islamic Extremism Gets Whitewashed in American Textbooks - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

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In numerous history textbooks, "key subjects like jihad, Islamic law, the status of women are whitewashed," said Gilbert T. Sewall, director of the American Textbook Council, an independent group that reviews history books and other education materials.

In a section discussing Islamic fundamentalism, the textbook "World History: The Modern World," published by Prentice Hall, omits direct mention of the 9/11 hijackers' religion, referring to the 19 Islamic fundamentalists as "teams of terrorists."

"On the morning of September 11, 2001," the book reads, "teams of terrorists hijacked four airplanes on the East Coast. Passengers challenged the hijackers on one flight, which they crashed on the way to its target. But one plane plunged in to the Pentagon in Virginia, and two others slammed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York. More than 2,500 people were killed in the attacks."

In his report on the text, Sewall called the passage "dismaying" in its flatness and brevity. "In terms of content, so much is left unanswered. Who were the teams of terrorists and what did they want do to? What were their political ends? Since 'The Modern World' avoids any hint of the connection between this unnamed terrorism and jihad," he wrote, "why September 11 happened is hard to understand."
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Think that's disturbing?

YouTube - American JIHAD - terrorist cells TRAINING CAMPS in USA

I know its FOX News, but having terror training cells right here in the U.S. is quite frightening to me.
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You think that includes the Muslims mentioned in this article? They should be allowed to stand up against those who subvert their religion.
It includes all walks of life...
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It should be and that's my point...

If I remember right you started a thread years ago with single passages from the Bible, all of which at face value were very similar to what you are speaking about... all of which were discussed at great length given context.

I don't think you, Iron Horse, or even myself are knowledgeable enough about the Koran to do the same...
Nice, you have a statement which shuts down any debate,

My atheism isn't rooted in any specific theological objection, other than the claims being made without evidence (x is true because a prophet said so), and the conclusions which I don't think are valid (because a prophet says so God exists, made the universe, created people, and cares about what you eat and who you sleep with).

I'm against all Gods, why should I hang it up when it comes to the faith which is getting away with violence that Christianity isn't allowed to anymore?
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^ I'm with you on the religion thing. That's an invention mankind could've done without. But I'm not sure about the Christians not being violent anymore.
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There are some obvious examples.
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There are some obvious examples.
Such as?
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Nice, you have a statement which shuts down any debate,

My atheism isn't rooted in any specific theological objection, other than the claims being made without evidence (x is true because a prophet said so), and the conclusions which I don't think are valid (because a prophet says so God exists, made the universe, created people, and cares about what you eat and who you sleep with).

I'm against all Gods, why should I hang it up when it comes to the faith which is getting away with violence that Christianity isn't allowed to anymore?
Who said anything about hanging it up? I really think you're missing my point.
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Then you should be more explicit.

Because I took you to mean that if one doesn't have a strong background with a faith then they don't have any right to criticise.
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Then you should be more explicit.

Because I took you to mean that if one doesn't have a strong background with a faith then they don't have any right to criticise.
Well it was more of a "if one has a biased background with a subject they have no right to criticise."

If the only knowledge you have of science is from a conservative religious home schooling, I'm going to question your criticism.

If the only knowledge you have of one's religion is a out of context website setup by another religion or atheist with an agenda, I'm going to question your criticism.
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Alright, new FYM rule, if you have an agenda or opinion, then you have no right to criticise others.
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