A Nation Divided...

[BVS]

This thread is for stories that make you go WTF, stories of complete parisan bullshit. It doesn't matter what side.

I'll start it off with this one...

We have allegations of radical revolutionaries by people who don't know the definition of revolutionary, we have attacks on acorn, etc etc but THIS, this is REAL legislature!

WTF is wrong with you Republicans!!! Are you this fucking petty?



Al Franken proposes getting rid of the old 'it's OK if you get raped' clause in government contracts, but 30 Republicans object.

Hulu - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: Rape-Nuts

 

[The_Pac_Mule]

Yeah, I saw that and was like "uhhhh ok?" Yeah I'm a republican, but sometimes I wonder whats happened to the party.

 

[2861U2]

I could write a novel. We all probably could. But here's two that come to mind right away.

The first is in response the Joe Wilson incident. A few days after it happened, most of the media made a point to note how much money his opponent had raked in because of the incident. What they failed to note was that Wilson had brought in more money than his opponent in the aftermath. I mean, that's just laughable. Partisanship at it's finest.

The second is the Rush Limbaugh Rams controversy. This really gets me angry, because it's absolutely a partisan deal- not a "we don't like any controversial figures being part of the NFL" deal. Are you telling me the same objections would be raised if Keith Olbermann tried to purchase a team? A few years ago, George Soros tried to buy the Washington Nationals. It didn't materialize, but I don't remember the uproar. Look at some of the other owners of professional sports teams:

Ted Turner, who has said that we should encourage families to have only one or two children, who says "it hasn't been proven" in response to the idea that Castro is a killer, who said in 30 years most of the world's population will be dead and the rest will be cannibals...

Or Fergie, whose lyrics include countless derogatory words, B-word, N-word, other swear words, singing about how the CIA are terrorists...

Or Jay-Z, who does the same thing, uses completely foul language, demeans women. Seriously, check out his stuff. Real worthy of being part of the great NFL.

Or Jennifer Lopez, who does the same things.

Or Serena Williams, who does the same things.

Or Mark Cuban, who can make a "movie" about how mean American soldiers are.

Of course, they're liberals. This is about Rush being a conservative. No doubt in my mind. It's not about being a divisive person. I've heard countless remarks by people who HATE Rush, but think he has just the same right to buy a team as anyone else in his position would. Welcome to America, 2009.

Plus, that's not even taking into account the larger issue in this story, in that he never said what the media is saying he did. He never said slavery had its merits. He never said James Earl Ray deserves an award. If so, show me the source. Anything. Video. Audio. A transcript. I'll be waiting, just like I'm waiting for Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, and various sports analysts to respond to my emails asking to back up these claims. I'm not holding my breathe.

 

[TheShootist]

There are a lot of stories to be dug up, which can play up anyone’s side of what is fair and what is not. Many Republicans are financially invested in Halliburton, so it is not any wonder they said "no" to this. I am sure Obama would do the same for ACORN.

Also, most Republicans are not conservative, but Obama and the main stream media would like you to think so, thus they can keep the big lie going of making you think you there is a difference between the two parties.

 

[UberBeaver]

Actually, it's not so much that Rush is a conservative as it is that he hosts a daily show who's point is political in nature. Granted, Olberman does too, but Olberman tends to attack individuals (for right or wrong) whereas Rush often goes after groups of people. Mayeb Olberman does that too, I dunno. I don't watch him. However, he did work on ESPN for a while, so he may be considered more qualified to won a pro team than Rush, so there's that. But I'm sure people would get pissed at him too. And I have a feeling most owners of pro-sports team probably lean Republican anyway, though I've never researched this.

And as for the people you posted to prove your point, 3 of them are singers, 1 is a tennis player, 1 owns the Mavericks and got rich through business dealing, and the other is Ted Turner - who I think most people kinda wrote off as being insane when he started coloring in old movies and married Jane Fonda. So it's kinda not apples to apples there. Jon Stewart maybe have been a better comparison.

 

[UberBeaver]

There are a lot of stories to be dug up, which can play up anyone’s side of what is fair and what is not. Many Republicans are financially invested in Halliburton, so it is not any wonder they said "no" to this.

I am sure Obama would do the same for ACORN. Also, most Republicans are not conservative, but Obama and the main stream media would like you to think so, thus they can keep the big lie going of making you think you there is a difference between the two parties.

If I invested in, say, a company that makes robots, and then those robots started raping people, I would no longer be invested in that company. It's a no-brainer.

And most republicans are conservatives as that's kinda the point of the party - to be more conservative. Granted, most aren't bat shit insane neo-cons, but they lean conservative in a good amount if issues.

 

[2861U2]

Some more...

Two youtube videos (the first is my favorite youtube video of all time, for the record), plus a third one featuring calls from the John Gibson show the other day. I wouldn't even call it partisanship (though it certainly is) as much as I would just utter frightening idiocy, but take a listen and feel grateful you're not that stupid. These people have NO idea what they're talking about.

YouTube - Dean and Olbermann on Name-Calling: Then and Now!

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: In Line For 'Obama Money' In Detroit

YouTube - Gibson on the Limbaugh Flap, MSNBC, and Olbermann!

 

[TheShootist]

If I invested in, say, a company that makes robots, and then those robots started raping people, I would no longer be invested in that company. It's a no-brainer.

And most republicans are conservatives as that's kinda the point of the party - to be more conservative. Granted, most aren't bat shit insane neo-cons, but they lean conservative in a good amount if issues.

It may be a no-brainer to you, but to a senator that does not live in the real world it is easy to compartmentalize human suffering.

If you look at the majority of Republicans voting record on spending, immigration, and not fighting wars to win you will see they are no better than the Democrats.

 

[Bluer White]

The second is the Rush Limbaugh Rams controversy. This really gets me angry, because it's absolutely a partisan deal- not a "we don't like any controversial figures being part of the NFL" deal.

Yeah, this one is a real debacle on a bunch of levels.

But it was fun listening to noted NFL fans like Sheila Jackson Lee and Al Sharpton springing into action.

 

[anitram]

!!

A few years ago, George Soros tried to buy the Washington Nationals. It didn't materialize, but I don't remember the uproar.

I'm always a little taken aback by the sheer hatred on the right with respect to George Soros, a man who, for years, gave immense amounts of his money to progressive and brave people, whether they be dissidents or academics in the Eastern Bloc who were fighting against Communism. SOCIALISM = BAD! I mean, you Republicans should be all over this like white on rice and thanking the man for his vast efforts to rid the word of socialist thought and rule. I've yet to see a Republican give credit to him for this. Not that I'm expecting it.

 

[BVS]

I could write a novel. We all probably could. But here's two that come to mind right away.

The first is in response the Joe Wilson incident. A few days after it happened, most of the media made a point to note how much money his opponent had raked in because of the incident. What they failed to note was that Wilson had brought in more money than his opponent in the aftermath. I mean, that's just laughable. Partisanship at it's finest.

The second is the Rush Limbaugh Rams controversy. This really gets me angry, because it's absolutely a partisan deal- not a "we don't like any controversial figures being part of the NFL" deal. Are you telling me the same objections would be raised if Keith Olbermann tried to purchase a team? A few years ago, George Soros tried to buy the Washington Nationals. It didn't materialize, but I don't remember the uproar. Look at some of the other owners of professional sports teams:

Ted Turner, who has said that we should encourage families to have only one or two children, who says "it hasn't been proven" in response to the idea that Castro is a killer, who said in 30 years most of the world's population will be dead and the rest will be cannibals...

Or Fergie, whose lyrics include countless derogatory words, B-word, N-word, other swear words, singing about how the CIA are terrorists...

Or Jay-Z, who does the same thing, uses completely foul language, demeans women. Seriously, check out his stuff. Real worthy of being part of the great NFL.

Or Jennifer Lopez, who does the same things.

Or Serena Williams, who does the same things.

Or Mark Cuban, who can make a "movie" about how mean American soldiers are.

Of course, they're liberals. This is about Rush being a conservative. No doubt in my mind. It's not about being a divisive person. I've heard countless remarks by people who HATE Rush, but think he has just the same right to buy a team as anyone else in his position would. Welcome to America, 2009.

Plus, that's not even taking into account the larger issue in this story, in that he never said what the media is saying he did. He never said slavery had its merits. He never said James Earl Ray deserves an award. If so, show me the source. Anything. Video. Audio. A transcript. I'll be waiting, just like I'm waiting for Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, and various sports analysts to respond to my emails asking to back up these claims. I'm not holding my breathe.

I don't think you quite understand the purpose of this thread. This is about real partisanship not some make believe boogeyman liberals in the media, liberals in the NFL crap.

I have no clue what you are talking about with the Joe Wilson thing, the days following his opponent did raise more but CNN reported that the quarter as a whole that Wilson beat out his opponent.

As far as the Rush thing, really? Yes, it's stupid. Why they chose not to investigate the quotes I don't know, maybe because it didn't suprise anyone due to his history of racism. But I really don't see this as a partisan thing, this has to do with him and the NFL and his investors. Money people get scared about controversy, plus he's already had a racism controversy in the NFL before back when he announced what was it Monday Night Football?

There are a lot of stories to be dug up, which can play up anyone’s side of what is fair and what is not. Many Republicans are financially invested in Halliburton, so it is not any wonder they said "no" to this. I am sure Obama would do the same for ACORN.

You can't be serious. You're new so I haven't quite figured you out, you've said a lot of misinformed shit, so I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, but you can't honestly believe this.

Also, most Republicans are not conservative, but Obama and the main stream media would like you to think so, thus they can keep the big lie going of making you think you there is a difference between the two parties.

What does Obama and the "MSM" have to do with this? Now I think you are just making up shit... This is a problem for the Republican party, nothing more nothing less, they haven't figured out which direction they want to go, Obama nor the media have ever tried to make the party out to be any more or less conservative than they are. You are confused my friend.

 

[2861U2]

I don't think you quite understand the purpose of this thread. This is about real partisanship not some make believe boogeyman liberals in the media, liberals in the NFL crap.

With regards to the Limbaugh story-- Common sense, logic, rationality and the opportunity to stand aside and let a successful human being make an economic choice (which will in no way affect 99% of its critics) are being suppressed due to said person's political ideology. Is that not the ultimate definition of partisanship?

 

[BVS]

With regards to the Limbaugh story-- Common sense, logic, rationality and the opportunity to stand aside and let a successful human being make an economic choice (which will in no way affect 99% of its critics) are being suppressed due to said person's political ideology. Is that not the ultimate definition of partisanship?

No. Unless you are somehow suggesting that every single person on that board is a Dem. Is the NFL now a liberal ran machine? Is this the new conspiracy of the day?

 

[corianderstem]

Al Franken proposes getting rid of the old 'it's OK if you get raped' clause in government contracts, but 30 Republicans object.

Hulu - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: Rape-Nuts

I was wondering if anyone was going to bring this up. I don't even think I can properly talk about it without dissolving into a puddle of profanity-filled anger.

 

[Bono's shades]

With regards to the Limbaugh story-- Common sense, logic, rationality and the opportunity to stand aside and let a successful human being make an economic choice (which will in no way affect 99% of its critics) are being suppressed due to said person's political ideology. Is that not the ultimate definition of partisanship?

No. It's about making a business decision based on what business decisions tend to be about - money. They don't want to alienate fans/customers who loathe Rush Limbaugh. Rush is simply reaping what he sows. You can't be a racist, hateful, lying jackass and expect everyone on earth to welcome you with open arms.

 

[2861U2]

Another development in the Limbaugh story, another example of partisanship. Last night on O'Reilly, Juan Williams defended Rush Limbaugh, to which radio show host Warren Ballentine responded "Go back to your porch."

 

[maycocksean]

I was wondering if someone was going to bring this up. I think Limbaugh should be able to buy an NFL franchise if he wants.

Of course the current owners are under ZERO obligation to sell him a share in the Rams. They, too, are free to sell to whoever they like.

If I were in their shoes, I wouldn't care to do business with him, but I also wouldn't want it becoming the big media circus it is. I'd prefer Sharpton et al focus on more important things.

 

[maycocksean]

Another development in the Limbaugh story, another example of partisanship. Last night on O'Reilly, Juan Williams defended Rush Limbaugh, to which radio show host Warren Ballentine responded "Go back to your porch."

I think it's fair to call out someone who we think is being an Uncle Tom. I said as much about Michael Steele after he fell all over himself to apologize for his remarks about Limbaugh.

 

[Se7en]

oh great. a "look how stupid the other side is!" thread. just what this board needs.

 

[BVS]

oh great. a "look how stupid the other side is!" thread. just what this board needs.

The intent was suppose to be more about "look how stupid the people who represent us are"...

 

[BVS]

I was wondering if someone was going to bring this up. I think Limbaugh should be able to buy an NFL franchise if he wants.

Of course the current owners are under ZERO obligation to sell him a share in the Rams. They, too, are free to sell to whoever they like.

If I were in their shoes, I wouldn't care to do business with him, but I also wouldn't want it becoming the big media circus it is. I'd prefer Sharpton et al focus on more important things.

Exactly!!!

I think it's fair to call out someone who we think is being an Uncle Tom. I said as much about Michael Steele after he fell all over himself to apologize for his remarks about Limbaugh.

I agree, but I think this concept is very difficult for many white people to understand(no matter what "side"). I think unfortunately Juan Williams comes off as "going beyond race" in the eyes of conservatives, rather than ignoring the racism in Rush's past. This is a big problem.

 

[anitram]

No. It's about making a business decision based on what business decisions tend to be about - money. They don't want to alienate fans/customers who loathe Rush Limbaugh. Rush is simply reaping what he sows. You can't be a racist, hateful, lying jackass and expect everyone on earth to welcome you with open arms.

Free market at work.

 

[maycocksean]

I agree, but I think this concept is very difficult for many white people to understand(no matter what "side").

I know. . .it's hard to explain too. There's a certain type of white person that likes black folk as long as they aren't too angry, share their view of the world, and basically don't have too much of an "attitude." Black people who chum around with these types of people, in my view might be viewed as. . ahem. . .on the porch.

And I say this as a black person who is generally not too angry, tends to like "white" culture (I mean, I'm a huge U2 fan! Come on!), and doesn't have too much of an "attitude" The difference is, you wont find me kissing Rush Limbaugh's ass.

As an aside, since I'm pretty sure 2861 will read this post and because I know he's been watching Survivor. Remember what happened with Jaison and Ben after Ben had that heated exchange with that admittedly annoying (and probably crazy) Yasmine? Remember how Jaison really struggled with whether to call Ben out on his behavior, and finally did even though it might have put a target on his back? As a black person, I really relate to that struggle. Jaison knew that nobody likes an angry black man, but at the same time he couldn't live with himself if he said nothing. Juan Williams would have said nothing.

 

[HyperU2]

I'm totally ready for the divide.

 

[2861U2]

Free market at work.

I'm all for the free market decided economic opportunities like this. I'm not saying Rush is entitled to the team. But it sucks when the reason for dropping Rush is completely false and based on things he simply never said.

 

[maycocksean]

I'm totally ready for the divide.

Remember the last group of Americans that were "totally ready for the divide"? Didn't turn out so well for them. . .

 

[BonosSaint]

I think the problem with Limbaugh is not so much his perceived racism and perceived sexism, but that his program provides a refuge for ugly beliefs.

I'm not saying that all or even most of his listeners (I don't know them and I'm not about to stereotype them) share those beliefs, but enough appear to and find those views to be acceptable on his program, even championed. Maybe it is good that it is out of the closet, but the embrace is disheartening. Maybe other owners share those beliefs or share other equally reprehensible beliefs, but none of them is so overtly divisive. He lives (well) and dies by his radio show. I'm sure he considers it a fair tradeoff.

We're all entitled to our dreams, but we're not entitled to having them given to us, are we? Good conservative principle that, eh? Or maybe just the rich are cause life is so unfair to them.

Entrepreneur that he be, maybe he can start his own league.

 

[BonosSaint]

Remember the last group of Americans that were "totally ready for the divide"? Didn't turn out so well for them. . .

 

[BVS]

But it sucks when the reason for dropping Rush is completely false and based on things he simply never said.

That's unfortunately the reason it made news, it's NOT the reason he didn't get the bid. DO NOT fool yourself into becoming a victim.

 

[Bluer White]

Remember what happened with Jaison and Ben after Ben had that heated exchange with that admittedly annoying (and probably crazy) Yasmine? Remember how Jaison really struggled with whether to call Ben out on his behavior, and finally did even though it might have put a target on his back? As a black person, I really relate to that struggle. Jaison knew that nobody likes an angry black man, but at the same time he couldn't live with himself if he said nothing. Juan Williams would have said nothing.

Do you think less of Juan Williams because of his take on Limbaugh?



(BTW I saw that Survivor and Ben deserved what he got)