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Old 08-27-2009, 09:19 PM   #16
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In many Western countries, males have to 'cope with' high suicide rates, poor educational achievement, lower life expectancy than females, and unfriendly divorce and family law courts - but mentioning any of these things on FYM gets you labelled a misoygynist. Some would say that these issues are a little more significant that not being invited to play golf with the lads - but there you go.
Please don't tell me you honestly believe women have nothing worse to face today than not getting invited to play golf with the guys.

Women still get paid less than men for equal work, are often expected to do the lion's share of ther housework and child care even if they have jobs and are more likely to be victims of rape or domestic abuse.
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I prefer labelling someone "shortsighted" or "misguided" than "misogynist"
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I think high suicide rates among males, family courts that assume that women almost always make the better parent and often do discriminate against the male (but not always as you do often see the woman getting the short end of the stick in divorce settlements) and low achievement among young males in education are important topics--bringing them up certainly doesn't make you misogynistic. I would like to see them discussed.

But I think sometimes in the way you bring them up, there is more than a tinge of bitterness (and maybe blame) towards women in your words (along with the always "sure to win support" word "shrill") that makes it very hard to be sympathetic to your arguments--the same way I think blaming men for all women's problems makes it hard to be sympathetic.

But there are realities in the problems you present and realities in the problems we present and the challenge is not to ignore the other but to find a way to resolve them without unreasonably denying the other.

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But there are realities in the problems you present and realities in the problems we present and the challenge is not to ignore the other but to find a way to resolve them without unreasonably denying the other.


I find the core of any issue or problem to be solved these days gets completely lost in personal attacks, useless bickering and ideological bullshit.


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Thank you.
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But I think sometimes in the way you bring them up, there is more than a tinge of bitterness (and maybe blame) towards women in your words (along with the always "sure to win support" word "shrill") that makes it very hard to be sympathetic to your arguments--the same way I think blaming men for all women's problems makes it hard to be sympathetic.
The problem that I have is that FG's posts regarding women's issues often fail to pass the "smell test" for me. And I think that you've explained the whys of that very well.
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