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Old 07-12-2010, 06:43 PM   #16
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That's been my experience as well...
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:46 PM   #17
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At best they are a nuisance with limited prospects (I'd suspect) of finding good homes in the probably not terribly placid suburbs of Baghdad.
The Prophet Mohammed wasn't what you'd call a dog lover. For the most part they are forbidden to be kept as pets.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:39 PM   #18
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I have a lot of experience with strays, or as we called them in Saipan, "boonie dogs." They're everywhere there. In fact one of the things that has been a change for us (and a refreshing one when I'm out running) is that there simply aren't any dogs wandering the streets. The boonie dogs on Saipan were generally in pretty awful condition. They weren't super dangerous, I don't think. Most times if you were being chased and bent to down as if to pick up a rock they'd run in the other direction pretty quick, as rocks are how a lot of the locals deal with them. The boonie dog's life isn't a good one--in addition to being sick, malnourished etc, they are often hit by cars and occasionally, snatched up and cooked up as someone's supper.

I heard that a few years ago there was a move to have a campaign to gather up all the boonie dogs and have them spayed/neutered by volunteer veternarians but apparently it was blocked by the islands' one regular vet--who charges extortionary rates-- who I guess didn't want any free spaying/neutering happening in his territory.

They are supposed to have a pound there but because of the governments perennial economic crisis, there's never been funding to open one.
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Old 07-12-2010, 10:27 PM   #19
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If you have a pet dog you think is completely domesticated and friendly, when your pet is hungry put a bowl of food down and while the dog is eating, move in close and try taking it away.
If you can't take away your dog's food bowl safely, you're either a negligent owner for not training your dog to accept your interference at any time, or an ignorant owner for not knowing how to train your dog properly in the first place.
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:42 AM   #20
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The Prophet Mohammed wasn't what you'd call a dog lover. For the most part they are forbidden to be kept as pets.
Well somebody must have been keeping them as pets, at some point! How else do you suppose that Baghdad would have a problem with stray dogs in the first place?

And to my earlier comment I perhaps associate danger with strays that start to gather in packs, more so than utter terror at one single unfed dog that happens to be hungry.
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:43 AM   #21
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I'm sure Liesje would know better than me, but I'm pretty certain that if your dog is growling at you for taking its food, it doesn't respect you as being dominant.
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Dominance theory has been debunked. If a dog growls at you for reaching for his food, it's simply because he wants that resource and feels he has to protect it. Dogs form fluid social hierarchies that humans should not attempt to be a part of. A dog knows the difference between a human and another dog. At my house it works like this:

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Liesje, are you calling Cesar Millan an asshole?
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Pretty much. Actually I think he's a neat guy and Id like to meet him, but I wouldn't let him touch my dogs He has no formal training or schooling in animal behavior. His "exercise, discipline, affection" mantra is not at all unique and any dog person knows this is simply common sense. His "rehabilitation" methods are based on outdated, flawed research that is no longer accepted by trained behaviorists. His most commonly used technique is flooding, which is relatively simple to understand but can be devastating when used in the wrong situation (but, you're never going to see that on the TV show...). Most of the time I agree with what he says to the owners and disagree with how he handles the dogs.
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Pretty much.
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Dominance theory has been debunked. If a dog growls at you for reaching for his food, it's simply because he wants that resource and feels he has to protect it. Dogs form fluid social hierarchies that humans should not attempt to be a part of. A dog knows the difference between a human and another dog. At my house it works like this:

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Pretty much. Actually I think he's a neat guy and Id like to meet him, but I wouldn't let him touch my dogs He has no formal training or schooling in animal behavior. His "exercise, discipline, affection" mantra is not at all unique and any dog person knows this is simply common sense. His "rehabilitation" methods are based on outdated, flawed research that is no longer accepted by trained behaviorists. His most commonly used technique is flooding, which is relatively simple to understand but can be devastating when used in the wrong situation (but, you're never going to see that on the TV show...). Most of the time I agree with what he says to the owners and disagree with how he handles the dogs.
Really. . .wow. I didn't know that. Not that we're big fans of his or anything.

We're still trying to figure out what to do about our dog. We saw her when we went back to visit Saipan and she was doing alright, but the situation she is in right now--being looked after by our former colleagues who live in our little housing complex but not having any one taken full-on ownership--is no longer tenable.

Eh. . . .you know what, let me PM you. No sense in derailing the whole thread to bore everyone with my dog issues.
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Sean I actually thought of you and your dog when I started reading this thread and wondered how she was doing. My own female has gone through some major ups and downs lately.

Now getting off topic but the thing to remember about CM is that he is basically a small time celebrity with a popular TV show, but that alone is not any sort of validation nor does it compensate for a lack of actual qualifications. I respect him for his patience with the types of dog owners he deals with (my solution would be smacking them with a 2x4) and for bringing some positive attention to the "vicious" breeds often under attack and threatened by breed-specific legislation. But as far as as his actual techniques with dogs, they are outdated, based on shallow reasoning, and all over the place, at best.
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tss!

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