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Old 10-04-2012, 03:02 PM   #91
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I caught the last half of the debate, and thought Romney did rather well. Wish I knew Obama's BBM code so I could have sent him a message to look interested and, you know, show some enthusiasm. He seemed to be looking at his Blackberry quite a bit. Oh, and I would have told him to at least mention Romney's 47% comment at least once.
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For all this talk of the famed middle, it is worth nothing that there are very, very few people who are undecided at this point. So few in fact, that an election won't turn on them, so unless Romney can start picking off some of the decideds who have broken for Obama, it won't get him far.
in these handful of battle ground states, the numbers have moved a lot in the last 30 days, I think there may be a good number of soft decideds that could swing again.

It is an uphill battle, but I am sure over the next week, numbers will trend Romney's way, and with how the votes are counted, and if some votes are counted in a few key states is the most important thing.
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this election is up for grabs? or is it?

"Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps."

Greg Palast on How the GOP Is Planning to Steal the 2012 Election
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Ya that debate was a snoozefest last night. I actually turned it off half way through, couldn't take it anymore, it was just boring. Plus O could have definitely stepped it up. He was playing nice and it didn't work.
Did you guys notice too that the way the camera angles worked, Romney appeared to be looking down on Pres.O? It was pathetic to watch and then O stands there with his head down. Come on man!! Fight back!! I don't think this has any meaning in the long run.. not at all. Chris Matthews on MSNBC was hilarious! Calm down man before you have a heart attack! That was over the top. I also think Obama is in a sticky place where he has to be really careful about fighting back too hard and becoming the proverbial "angry black man". He can't win for losing.
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Thanks, I know you are no fan of his at all.
I have never planned on voting for him in November.

By the very nature of these debates, they are a contest or competition.
It is possible to have a draw. Like him or hate him, Romney clearly had a decisivie win last night.
I still don't understand how you can define a "win" in a debate. Is there a scroecard anywhere?

The only way it's a "win" is if you can prove that he actually picked up votes last night.
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The win in a political debate is the perception of win. No objectivity needed. And I think that public perception has ceded the win to Romney handily.
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The win in a political debate is the perception of win. No objectivity needed. And I think that public perception has ceded the win to Romney handily.
ah....ok. So what was the perceived score?
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Anyone who would be concerned about Pres Obama being an angry black man is probably not going to vote for him anyway. I know it's reality but it still disgusts me that he has to worry about that at all.

I did appreciate how respectful Romney was of the President. He criticized him plenty, but he did it with class and dignity. I give credit when credit is due.
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He interrupted him mid-sentence like half a dozen times though.
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And not mentioning the 47%, what the hell?
He definitely should've mentioned that. His campaign's been running a commercial with a clip from that infamous speech of Romney's nonstop, so I can't imagine he'd be afraid to bring that up. For all of Romney's talk about how he cared about the working people and everything, that would've been something to see him try and squirm away from explaining.

I will agree with MrsS on the respectful tone between the two, that was nice. But I also think they could remain respectful and still make pointed remarks and arguments when needed.
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He interrupted him mid-sentence like half a dozen times though.

and still Obama got more time

Obama used 42 minutes and 40 seconds of airtime;
Romney 38 minutes and 14 seconds.
that's a difference of 4 minutes and 26 seconds.
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He definitely should've mentioned that. His campaign's been running a commercial with a clip from that infamous speech of Romney's nonstop, so I can't imagine he'd be afraid to bring that up. For all of Romney's talk about how he cared about the working people and everything, that would've been something to see him try and squirm away from explaining.

I will agree with MrsS on the respectful tone between the two, that was nice. But I also think they could remain respectful and still make pointed remarks and arguments when needed.

you don't think Romney was ready for that, the 47% thing
and you don't think Obama and his team gave it some thought


Obama should stay with the commercials in the battle ground states,

If Obama brings it up in the next debate Romney will be able to kill it, and Obama commercial's won't have any currency
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and still Obama got more time

Obama used 42 minutes and 40 seconds of airtime;
Romney 38 minutes and 14 seconds.
that's a difference of 4 minutes and 26 seconds.
That's because Obama spent at least 5 minutes explaining in painstaking detail every thought that popped into his head, only some of which pertained to the topic.

It was bad.
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Meanwhile, various counters pointed out that the faster-talking Romney used more words: 7,891 to Obama's 7,350.
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