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Old 10-03-2012, 10:54 PM   #31
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Romney clearly won the debate.

all the polls will go that way

CNN, they are all saying he won.
MSNBC, is all upset that Obama was too soft, basically conceding that Romney won.
On CNN that had that dumb graph where undecideds turned the dial up or down. Romney clearly won that group.

Also, talking longer for Obama, actually makes him a bigger loser in tonights debate.

Obama will go down a bit in the polls. Lets hope Biden can best Ryan next week.
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Everyone took Obama being calm as him being soft. Romney certainly had the flair.
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Lets hope Biden can best Ryan next week.
Question: Name one strategy that won't be brainstormed at Team Obama tonight.
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Nobody won. Obama and Romney lost. That debate was utterly abhorrent. Like, miserably fucking disgusting. Insulting to the collective intelligence of this country. I am actually borderline angry about it.
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Everyone took Obama being calm as him being soft. Romney certainly had the flair.
My democrat friends on Facebook are frustrated that Obama didn't hit harder. . .really annoyed that he didn't bring up the 47%.

My republican friends are feeling pretty good. . .
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Everyone took Obama being calm as him being soft. Romney certainly had the flair.
If by "flair" you mean rambling a lot in an attempt to squeeze in everything he wanted to say, and trying to dance between appealing to the conservative base and the center all at the same time, then, yeah, sure, he had flair. He was certainly the most animated I've seen him so far, I'll give him that much, I guess.

I find it weird that people are being all surprised now at Obama being calm. Isn't that how he often presents himself?
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Obama wasn't calm. He was incompetent.
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I remember when John Kerry cleaned W's clock in the first debate in 2004.
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He had flair and confidence about lying.

Obama sucked too. Will it go down as one of the worst debates of all time?

I feel like they say a lot without going into explanation about how to accomplish it.
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Obama wasn't calm. He was incompetent.
Eh, I'm talking mainly in tone and speaking manner more than anything else.

I don't think there was a winner. It seems to me the whole thing was more of a draw-Romney stammered and interrupted a lot (he said, "I love Big Bird", for crying out loud), and Obama didn't fight back often enough the way his supporters wanted him to.
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He had flair and confidence about lying.

Obama sucked too. Will it go down as one of the worst debates of all time?
It wasn't a debate. It was a sequence of horrid stump speeches thrown at each other with no guiding ideology holding them together. The candidates often spent time contradicting themselves and concocting ways to justify it, or just ignoring that fact. It was a complete fucking disaster.
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I thought Obama appeared to be Presidential. Romney appeared to be disparate....someone who knows how grim things look for his campaign. He may see a slight bump just because he avoided major catastrophe, but it won't last long.
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It wasn't a debate. It was a sequence of horrid stump speeches thrown at each other with no guiding ideology holding them together. The candidates often spent time contradicting themselves and concocting ways to justify it, or just ignoring that fact. It was a complete fucking disaster.
It doesn't sound much different than most of the debates I've seen in recent elections.
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It doesn't sound much different than most of the debates I've seen in recent elections.
I skipped them all in 2008 and I was 11 in 2004, so it's hard for me to judge. My overall impression, though, is that to call these elections "debates" debate is to insult actual debate.
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I got bored and chatted with a fiend i hadnt seen in a long while instead. I learned much more talking with her about life in Harare than I did from the debate.

It seemed like Romney was clearly better prepared, and that Obama missed many opportunities. But Obama didn't strike me as bad. Just average. And I didn't see the same panic I remember from the Bush team in 2004 after the first debate.

Unless there's a major story, these debates tend to only move te needle a point or two. There are two more to go. And most voters have made up their mind already. The press loves a horse race, so they are going to pounce in this for drama.

An I'm wondering if its ok for the Dems to complain about the moderation.

Or is it only Republicans who are oppressed by conniving, conspiring media and polls, ever? I'm sure whatever polls show movement to Romney will suddenly be highly accurate and not skewed.
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