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Old 10-10-2012, 12:47 PM   #151
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John Kerry didn't lose because he was accused of being a flip flopper. Kerry lost because he was an awful candidate.
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:57 PM   #152
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“There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda,” he told the editorial board of The Des Moines Register.
Apparently you're unfamiliar with your own platform, then. Here's what Romney's campaign spokesman had to say as a follow up:

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“Governor Romney would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life.”
Here's another chestnut from Romney:

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"Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan."
Except they're not. Cue campaign spokesman again:
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"We will give the state initiatives and money so that they can manage these decisions on their own. But, of course, we'd like them to see them continue that pre-existing band for those who have continuous coverage."
And as we all know, preferring something would happen is pretty much as good as law in this country, right?

The ease and frequency of Romney's lies is something to behold. And oddly enough, none of his supporters seem to mind the staggering inconsistency and deception.So yeah, he might be trying to distance himself from some of his more extreme positions, but he's not actually changing any of them.
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the man is on a 'mission'

that mission has 27 days to go, win a few toss up states

success of mission? improving daily.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:16 PM   #154
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no toss up states map

294 Obama/Biden -- Romney/Ryan 244


RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups

VA will flip next, then it will be

281 Obama/Biden -- Romney/Ryan 257

and Romney will only be 13 electoral votes away


it does look like Ohio, is the firewall
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no toss up states map

294 Obama/Biden -- Romney/Ryan 244


RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups

VA will flip next, then it will be

281 Obama/Biden -- Romney/Ryan 257

and Romney will only be 13 electoral votes away


it does look like Ohio, is the firewall
All of that is assuming that his momentum continues. I personally woulndn't be surprised if Romney has already hit his peak and that you'll soon see these toss up states start to flip back to Obama.

You and I do agree though that just like Ohio was the firewall for Kerry, it will also be the firewall for 2012's version of a flip flopper.
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I for one think President Obama needs to get "angry". Show some passion, defend yourself, point out Romney's weaknesses . Because if he continues to perform like he did in that debate then maybe he really doesn't deserve reelection. Or want it, I don't know.

Like I said before, that whole angry black man thing disgusts me. If I were him I'd rather lose than to have to cowtow to that bullshit. People who believe in that wouldn't vote for him regardless. No matter how deferential he was to the white man.
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I for one think President Obama needs to get "angry". Show some passion, defend yourself, point out Romney's weaknesses . Because if he continues to perform like he did in that debate then maybe he really doesn't deserve reelection. Or want it, I don't know.

Like I said before, that whole angry black man thing disgusts me. If I were him I'd rather lose than to have to cowtow to that bullshit. People who believe in that wouldn't vote for him regardless. No matter how deferential he was to the white man.
I fully agree. He has a right to be angry. Angry at Congress for being immature babies and refusing to work together on anything. Angry at the Republicans for blocking/refusing to support anything he's done so far, and for turning on their very own positions the moment they find out he actually supported something of theirs. Angry at his supporters who just sat back after the election and thought he'd take care of everything for them instead of continuing to work for and alongside him. Angry at the American people at large for buying into "death panels" BS and other stupid scare tactics of that kind instead of listening to the actual facts. Angry at people on the right questioning the legitimacy of his birth and making racist and xenophobic remarks and images about him and his family-he ESPECIALLY has the right to be pissed off about that stuff, because that's just downright offensive. Angry at Romney for telling flat out lies during the debate and in the campaign in general, and so on.

Awwwww, he might scare some people who can't handle someone like Obama getting "angry", poor babies. Well, tough crap, people, deal with it. I find the stereotypical "angry white male" annoying at best, scary at worst, so I guess we're even, then?
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He should do a Julia Gillard.
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Old 10-11-2012, 02:50 PM   #159
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I do not expect this VP debate to have much effect on the polls

much different than last election.
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in 1988, Lloyd Bentson provided perhaps the biggest smackdown of any candidate, ever, in a debate:

Lloyd Bentsen puts down Dan Quayle - YouTube



i was a child watching with my parents, and i still remember this moment. it's amazing, cathartic, and spectacularly delivered.

and H. W. Bush won handily.

the Veep doesn't matter.

what Biden needs to do is look alive, engaged, and not fuck up.
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this veep really does not matter, unless one does a total self destruct


last time McCain got a pretty good bounce initially with Palin, as time went on and with his age a factor, her veep was a factor
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Romney just won the third and final debate.


I'd say his chances of winning the election are 50+ %.


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Similar to the first debate between Obama and Romney, the debate will be broken into six 10-minute segments.

Two of those segments will focus on the first topic, "The Changing Middle East and the New Face of Terrorism," the CPD statement said.

The other regional topics are "Our longest war – Afghanistan and Pakistan," "Red Lines – Israel and Iran," and "The Rise of China and Tomorrow’s World."

"America’s role in the world" is the fifth topic. The CPD said the topics may be raised in any order.
Topics for third debate announced – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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I must have missed those debates. Didn't realize they took place already.
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I look at those topics and see a huge opportunity for Obama.

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No questions about Russia? Didn't Romney think they were our biggest threat? He must have changed his position on that.
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