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Old 08-29-2012, 09:05 PM   #136
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I agree, and I'd say it's worse than just something to be wary of. When wealthy private interests bankroll politicians the way they do now, we are in a plutocracy and democracy is dead. It should be plainly obvious to anyone paying attention.


The recent Supreme Court decision regarding corporations as people has to be one of the worst things that's ever happened to this country.
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:09 PM   #137
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I agree, and I'd say it's worse than just something to be wary of. When wealthy private interests bankroll politicians the way they do now, we are in a plutocracy and democracy is dead. It should be plainly obvious to anyone paying attention.
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:10 PM   #138
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John Thune gave a surprisingly decent speech. Rob Portman can literally imitate human speech, but the words are mashed together out of a dictionary.

Why are they so obsessed with aping Obama campaign slogans? Even a snide reference to "hope and change" in a stump speech is fine and cute and whatever, but it appears the RNC has designed the whole convention around tweaking it.

Every speech must have an immigrant and a small business story.

edit - oh, of course, "We Built This City" plays
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:11 PM   #139
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The recent Supreme Court decision regarding corporations as people has to be one of the worst things that's ever happened to this country.
It's fairly unsurprising though, no? That's the way things have been trending.
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Anyone can call themselves a libertarian if they sign up to the precepts - but some in the Tea Party movement are motivated by prejudice, i.e., they don't want a black guy around the place, or base careerist motives, such as those of certain tv presenters.

I can't trust the judgement or motives of anyone that was shilling for Bush/Cheney and their illegal wars and massive expansion of government powers in 2004 and all of a sudden is a libertarian in 2010 - that's not consistent. I don't include Iron Horse in that, as he has never advocated neo-conservatism - but the broader Tea Party movement is highly suspect, IMO.
The Tea Party Movement is still neoconservative on foreign policy.
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This speaker tells us that he built his small business himself.

And needs stronger patent protection.
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:24 PM   #142
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Why are they so obsessed with aping Obama campaign slogans? Even a snide reference to "hope and change" in a stump speech is fine and cute and whatever, but it appears the RNC has designed the whole convention around tweaking it.
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Every speech must have an immigrant and a small business story.
Well, anyone that bought the hopey changey bullshit 2008 is a fool and anyone that buys the GOP's imitation of it is not just a fool but a damnable and unforgivable fool.

Currently, we have corporate oligarchy - which is essentially equivalent to a communist state, except one where the citizens are not even operating under the fantasy that they have the power, at any level. They already know they're serfs.

It's funny to me that the Tea Partiers complain about the dangers of creeping socialism - actually, already, what we have in America is something much worse. Obama is the first Wall Street fully paid up president in history.

To wit, legalised, coded-in corporate fascism.
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The Tea Party Movement is still neoconservative on foreign policy.
Well, that's part of my point. The Tea Party movement don't mean shit. It's not a movement, it doesn't matter and whatever its shills say can be safely discounted.
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It's fairly unsurprising though, no? That's the way things have been trending.

The SCOTUS is now a political entity.

This is why an Obama victory is so critical.
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The SCOTUS is now a political entity.

This is why an Obama victory is so critical.
I hope you get the rights you're entitled to.

But I'm not prepared to put the rights of people in America above the rights of my friends.
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I hope you get the rights you're entitled to.

But I'm not prepared to put the rights of people in America above the rights of my friends.

This you're going to have to explain.

Also, I'm much more concerned about abortion rights and the increase of corporate power than I am about SSM.
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:52 PM   #147
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Mike Huckabee is a nasty individual.

edit-

oh, okay, now quoting Bono
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Leave Bono out of this, Huckabee!

Also, maybe you can try to say "We can do better" a few more times.
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Hadn't noticed, never use these things. I'll empty in the morning!
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Leave Bono out of this, Huckabee!

Also, maybe you can try to say "We can do better" a few more times.

I'm not watching.

Did he actually mention Bono?
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