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Old 11-03-2010, 11:13 AM   #106
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no. more options would help.
Term limits would shake out the entrenched power of both parties and allow for more turn-over, yielding more choices.

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and is a major element of the tea party...
Good. I hope it at least gets some discussion this term.


MN's 8th District Congressman Oberstar was good for his territory, but he had been in Congress too long (the mid-1970s) and lost last night. Turn-over is good, and I (sometimes reluctantly) welcome it in both major parties.


2-3 terms in the Senate and 4-5 terms in the House would be about right. (But really, a House term should be increased to 4 years, and then term-limit them to 3-4 terms).
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:16 AM   #107
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The American international image has plummeted yet again. Might be a theme there.
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:19 AM   #108
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Term limits would shake out the entrenched power of both parties and allow for more turn-over, yielding more choices.
i get where you're going, and i agree it would help, but i would much rather see the dismantling of the two party system as we know it.

no where in the constitution does it say we have to have two parties who control everything... it's only that way because of money and corruption. it's a rather ineffective way to run a government.
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:20 AM   #109
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The American international image has plummeted yet again. Might be a theme there.
ya know... with all the problems europe is having, as much as the american political system disgusts me right now, yea... i'm not really sure anyone should be worrying about our international image.
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:39 AM   #110
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I'm doubtful very many people in office, whatever they say before they get in office, will vote for term limits. They kinda like the in-office perks and shit.

Limits of any kind are for other people.
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and is a major element of the tea party...
Well, they sure are doing a fucking shit job of getting that element across, because the only policy I've heard from the Tea Party is "VOTE OUT SOCIALISTS."

It's been like a year, and that's the only thing they really stand for.
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i get where you're going, and i agree it would help, but i would much rather see the dismantling of the two party system as we know it.

no where in the constitution does it say we have to have two parties who control everything... it's only that way because of money and corruption. it's a rather ineffective way to run a government.
Right, but money will always win. Always. And with the widening of the income gap, the power will continue to concentrate in the hands of the few.

We're fucked, is my point.
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Right, but money will always win. Always. And with the widening of the income gap, the power will continue to concentrate in the hands of the few.

We're fucked, is my point.

Next up, corporations get the right to vote.
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doing a fucking shit job
Seriously? I don't understand what this means. Please use actual words. Pet peeve.

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the only policy I've heard from the Tea Party is "VOTE OUT SOCIALISTS."
You're not trying to look for anything other than what you want to find.
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Seriously? I don't understand what this means. Please use actual words. Pet peeve.

You're not trying to look for anything other than what you want to find.
"They are doing a fucking terrible job."

That's not true. I'm looking at what message is getting out. When I read about the Tea Party and watch videos of the Tea Party, the ONLY message that gets across is that Democrats are socialists and we need to vote them out before they ruin the country. Whether you like it or not, that's the only thing the Tea Party stands for right now. There are no other views that define them. None.
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and is a major element of the tea party...
It's a minor piece of the platform, and probably the only one I agree with...
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Stricter term limits and real campaign finance reform are desperately needed.

Unfortunately Washington is such a culture of money and favours and lobbying that it's going to take a cataclysmic enema to ever get the US back to real politics ever again.

Corruption is rampant in Mexico, or Italy. The only difference is that in America we take corruption as part of the legislative process; it's baked into politics here and given nice pseudonyms like "playing ball" and "inside politics". Having to have millions in cash reserves to run for major office.

I actually think the Tea Party platform has some bright spots to it. Unfortunately, those are bundled in with 1970s-era anti-communist propaganda-laden cobwebs and mistrust of government on the wrong issues (mistrust of gov't on social issues instead of issues of personal freedoms and the reduction of civil liberties under the guise of anti-terror legislation).

So, yeah, Tea Party; some decent ideas, but the "I don't give a shit about my fellow man" stink really turns me off to them. That and the vague Christian / racist undertones.
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Right, but money will always win. Always. And with the widening of the income gap, the power will continue to concentrate in the hands of the few.

We're fucked, is my point.
so why not vote for someone who has their own money?
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Well the "Scott Brown effect" did not continue in MA. Barney Frank reelected, Democratic governor reelected (one who was thought to be DOA a while ago), Scott Brown's opponent reelected for DA. And a sales tax slash was defeated. Sweep-GOP did not win any of 10 congressional seats or any statewide office.
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They took over Ohio and Florida. They will have a huge advantage built in for 2012.

If I had to predict now, I would say Obama loses both of those states and therefore the election.
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