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Old 08-29-2008, 02:42 PM   #706
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John Roberts: She has a child with Down's Syndrome, and care for children like that can take a lot of time. Is there any concern about the balance of that?

Dana Bash: The McCain camp is probably wondering if she were a man, whether you would be asking the same question.
He actually said that? And the answer is no-if she were a man he would not be asking the same question. It's sad that women still have to deal with such crap. I think it's beautiful that she has that child, and it has zero to do with her ability to be VP or to do anything in her career that she wants to do.
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:43 PM   #707
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Hey I saw another woman on the news saying she wouldn't leave her 4-month-old at home, so I am sure there are some ignorant people out there who will hold this against her. I think it's pretty outrageous.
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:47 PM   #708
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Yes it's just as sad when women make those kinds of judgments about each other and each other's lives and choices.
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Yes it's just as sad when women make those kinds of judgments about each other and each other's lives and choices.
isn't it also sad that we judge the person who made that remark as ignorant?
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:50 PM   #710
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isn't it also sad that we judge the person who made that remark as ignorant?
No one said that woman was ignorant. They were saying it was ignorant of her to criticize Sarah Palin's choice to be have a career and be an active, involved mother.
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isn't it also sad that we judge the person who made that remark as ignorant?
I think it's absolutely ignorant not to realize that you can provide good, loving care to your baby (with Down's or without) while pursuing your own career.
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i think it's sad that Sarah Palin hates polar bears:

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State will sue over polar bear listing, Palin says

By DAN JOLING
The Associated Press

Published: May 22nd, 2008 01:26 AM
Last Modified: May 22nd, 2008 10:10 AM

The State of Alaska will sue to challenge the recent listing of polar bears as a threatened species, Gov. Sarah Palin said Wednesday.

She and other Alaska elected officials fear a listing will cripple oil and gas development in prime polar bear habitat off the state's northern and northwestern coasts.

Palin argued there is not enough evidence to support a listing. Polar bears are well-managed and their population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation, she said.

Climate models that predict continued loss of sea ice, the main habitat of polar bears, during summers are unreliable, Palin said.

The announcement drew a strong response from the primary author of the listing petition.

"She's either grossly misinformed or intentionally misleading, and both are unbecoming," said Kassie Siegel of the Center for Biological Diversity. "Alaska deserves better."

Siegel said it was unconscionable for Palin to ignore overwhelming evidence of global warming's threat to sea ice, the polar bear's habitat.

"Even the Bush administration can't deny the reality of global warming," she said. "The governor is aligning herself and the state of Alaska with the most discredited, fringe, extreme viewpoints by denying this."


As marine mammals, polar bears are regulated by the federal government, not the state. Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne last week made the listing decision and said it was based on three findings.

"First, sea ice is vital to polar bear survival. Second, the polar bear's sea-ice habitat has dramatically melted in recent decades. Third, computer models suggest sea ice is likely to further recede in the future," he said.

Summer sea ice last year shrank to a record low, about 1.65 million square miles, nearly 40 percent less than the long-term average between 1979 and 2000.

Polar bears rely on sea ice for hunting ringed seals. In recent years, summer sea ice has receded far beyond the relatively shallow, biologically rich waters of the outer continental shelf, giving polar bears less time in prime feeding areas.

The bear's numbers rebounded after the 1970s, but conservation groups contend that was in response to measures taken to stop over-hunting.

Polar bear researchers fear recent effects of the loss of sea ice on Alaska polar bear populations. A 2006 study by the U.S. Geological Survey concluded that far fewer polar bear cubs in the Beaufort Sea were surviving and that adult males weighed less and had smaller skulls than those captured and measured two decades previously -- trends similar to observations in Canada's western Hudson Bay before a population drop.

A U.S. Geological Survey study completed last year as part of the petition process predicted polar bears in Alaska could be wiped out by 2050.

Kempthorne said last week he considered every point Palin made, and rejected them. However, he sought to limit the economic effect of the decision with the inclusion of "administrative guidance" that said the listing would not be used to create back-door climate policy outside the normal system of political accountability. He said that the threat to polar bears did not come from the petroleum industry.

In response, conservation groups including the Center for Biological Diversity, Greenpeace and the Natural Resources Defense Council are trying to overturn Kempthorne's administrative actions and seek limits on greenhouse gas emissions.

Palin and other state officials called arbitrary a decision to list a healthy species judging by what they deem uncertain modeling of future climate change and unproven long-term impact of any future climate change on the species.

State Natural Resources Commissioner Tom Irwin said it could have wide economic effects.
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The polar bear refugees are welcome in Nunavut.
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No one said that woman was ignorant. They were saying it was ignorant of her to criticize Sarah Palin's choice to be have a career and be an active, involved mother.
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Hey I saw another woman on the news saying she wouldn't leave her 4-month-old at home, so I am sure there are some ignorant people out there who will hold this against her. I think it's pretty outrageous.
i'm not up on my SAT logical reasoning work buuuut... whatever, doesn't matter.
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please. think of the polar bears.



don't let Sarah Palin kill them.
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She did an interview with Glenn Beck about the polar bears, I think they are showing it again tonight
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I think it's absolutely ignorant not to realize that you can provide good, loving care to your baby (with Down's or without) while pursuing your own career.
fair enough... and i'm not saying that i disagree. in fact i agree with you that it is entirely possible to do both... i just wouldn't call someone who disagrees with you ignorant.
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i think it's sad that Sarah Palin hates polar bears:
Sounds like yet one more example of "more of the same"/continuation of the last 8 years to me.
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Sounds like yet one more example of "more of the same"/continuation of the last 8 years to me.
Can't get enough of that oil.
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:01 PM   #720
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Can't get enough of that oil.
I'm really glad to hear she takes such a strong position in favor of the environment and wildlife, aren't you?
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