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Old 08-25-2008, 06:41 PM   #406
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You are fucking blinded.
I didn't see this earlier today (sorry), but cursing at other posters like this is unacceptable.
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Old 08-25-2008, 06:50 PM   #407
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I didn't see this earlier today (sorry), but cursing at other posters like this is unacceptable.
Sorry.
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Old 08-25-2008, 06:52 PM   #408
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We really do not need any more Tagg Romney. We've been doing perfectly well without him.

Ditto someone else

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Old 08-25-2008, 06:54 PM   #409
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Which people?
don't be obtuse.
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Old 08-25-2008, 07:50 PM   #410
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Sorry.

I think that was included in a rather long reply to a rather long post from me.

And I was not offended at all.

I did not believe it was directed at me personally,
but being used as an adjective?

anyways, I do not want contradict the moderator

other posters seem to be more easily offended.

btw, no I am not blind,

I do require glasses while driving at night.
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:46 PM   #411
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I don't think that's a fair conclusion. In the analogy being made, the main motive for these hypothetical African-American voters staying home would be that they can't conscience voting for a party that failed to speak up when racist jibes were employed in the media (by Democrats no less) against one of its own candidates. That doesn't prove anything one way or the other about why they preferred Obama. I do agree with you otherwise, and to the extent that I can imagine myself in their place, I do believe that in the end, I'd grit my teeth, then go ahead and vote for the candidate whose platform I find the best for our country, despite my grievances with his/her party's apparent tolerance for racist attacks on candidates. Because it really does become a lesser of two evils choice at that point (and for many, that's all elections ever are anyway). But I don't think it's fair to say that deciding otherwise demonstrates having preferred one primary candidate over the other for the wrong reasons. And personally I wouldn't describe that decision as pathetic--shortsighted, perhaps dangerously so, but not pathetic. It isn't childish to be deeply angered by a refusal to take racism or sexism seriously.
Thank you. And shortsightedness is something I have considered. I think that is a fair argument.
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:17 AM   #412
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Obama only needs to retain the same % of Democrats that Kerry got. if he gets that, he wins.
what if he got same % of Democrats, GOP and independents Bill Clinton got in 1996 ?


or the same % of Democrats, GOP and independents that Hillary got in NY 2006 ?

why choose a loser as the role model ?
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:26 AM   #413
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You're the only one calling him a role model.

Irvine was referring to him more like a baseline.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:03 AM   #414
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this thread is why Republicans win presidential elections.

they suck it up and get in line and cast their votes. they're pragmatic, and they know how to prioritize, and they know that idealistic notions about the "best" candidate are for fools and suckers.

man up, Democrats. stop pretending that this is a democracy or that your voice and vote are heard and that doing what's right is some sort of moral victory instead of doing what is necessary. especially after Cheney vastly expanded the powers of the executive branch over the past 8 years, we're not voting for a president, we're essentially electing a monarch.

get it right.
Thoughts like this do more damage to the country than anything Bush and Cheney have.
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Thoughts like this do more damage to the country than anything Bush and Cheney have.


when we're fighting several simultaneous wars in the midst of a McCain presidency, when a woman's right to choose is further whittled down to nothing, when more and more money is consolidated in the richest 2% of the population, maybe then you'll realize just where the damage is being done and to whom it's being done.

you have a choice. i'm sorry Hillary lost. get over it.

that's what Republicans do. and that's why they win.
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this thread is why Republicans win presidential elections.

they suck it up and get in line and cast their votes. they're pragmatic, and they know how to prioritize, and they know that idealistic notions about the "best" candidate are for fools and suckers.

man up, Democrats. stop pretending that this is a democracy or that your voice and vote are heard and that doing what's right is some sort of moral victory instead of doing what is necessary. especially after Cheney vastly expanded the powers of the executive branch over the past 8 years, we're not voting for a president, we're essentially electing a monarch.

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Thoughts like this do more damage to the country than anything Bush and Cheney have.
What we have here is a realistic viewpoint and an idealistic viewpoint. And, consequently, a conflict between the two.

The realistic viewpoint is this: ultimately, as a person with a view towards the American left, you have to understand that, while your favorite may not get the nomination, whatever the Dems send in is going to be a hell of a lot better than anything the GOP sends in.

The idealistic viewpoint is this: I'm going to make a statement and not vote because my favorite didn't get the nomination.

One gets results, one looks like a temper tantrum thrown by a five year old.

I'm 17, and won't be 18 in time to vote for this election. I imagine the law is in place because people younger than 18 are not considered "mature" enough for this election. Yet people who are older than 18 and have that opportunity are ready to throw it away for reasons like these? And I'm the immature one?

As you can imagine, much of this process is incredibly frustrating to watch.
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I was searching Google, and stumbled upon this poll taken in late May.

If McCain picks Romney, that could very much swing Michigan to the Republicans. According to the poll, a McCain/Romney ticket beats an Obama/Biden ticket by 18 points there. I know it's only one poll and was taken 3 months ago, but it's encouraging nonetheless.

SurveyUSA � Blog Archive � VP Matchups: Romney Helps McCain Win Michigan

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Old 08-26-2008, 01:21 PM   #418
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An odd poll, they only polled one VP vs 10 VP options...

Plus I don't see how McCain/Romney would have beaten Obama/Clinton back in May. If this is what the right needs to be encouraged, have fun.
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Romney polls well in Mich and Colorado

two states that are almost mandatory for an Obama win.
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Old 08-26-2008, 02:00 PM   #420
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I live in Michigan. I don't care what any polls say. I would put money on the fact that McCain won't win here; even if he picked Jesus as his running mate. Our economy is in the toilet. It's currently one of the worst in the entire nation. We haven't voted Republican since 1988, and with our state in the shape it is now; I doubt that will happen this year. Some of the most staunch Republicans that I know have said they're seriously considering voting for Obama because they feel McCain doesn't understand what's going on. I understand that it will be likely be close here, but I think hell would freeze over before McCain could win my state.
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