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Old 08-24-2008, 04:50 PM   #376
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I can't speak for them but personally these things bother me about him:

1. He seems to be all flash and no substance.

2. People say he is all about change but all I see is another politician.

3. I think he'll be a lame duck president because he won't get much done.

4. I don't think he can make the critical nation or global implication decisions.

5. I don't think he'll get the right people around him.

6. Lack of experience.

7. I don't think he can make the 3 AM decision.

8. Most importantly, I don't feel comfortable or safe knowing that he is the leader of the free world at such a critical time in human history.

1. This carried him through the Primaries and his young supporters like this style. But, there is no substance.

2. The pledge of new politics had me watching early on.
And seemed like it could be legit. But, as time went on. He displayed the Chicago machine politics, and if anyone really looked at how he came into office, more of the same.

3. I believe for sure McCain will be a one termer. Obama will probably be creamed in office, much like Carter. I am actually concerned for him. I believe he has the ability to be a good president with some more experience. The best thing for him might be to lose, as Nixon did in 1960. He can earn the respect so many of his supporters have gladly given him by doing some good work in the Senate.
He can easliy run in 2016 or 2020 if he is the real deal.


4. 5. He has terrible advisers around him now. So the judgment thing that his adoring fans all give him, is actually quite poor.

7. Yes, the 3 a. m. call. Well, I don't think it was an accident that he texted the V P nomination announcement at 3 A M..
Just to give the finger to Hillary one more time. Petty and immature. Certainly not Presidential.
That, and the fake Presidential Seal. The putting the Obama banner up at the wailing wall in Israel at 5 a. m. for a photo op, all show very poor judgments.

We have had a frat boy in the Whitehouse for 8 years. We don't need anymore of it.



8. True, why gamble.
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Old 08-24-2008, 05:05 PM   #377
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Those who do will be, in my view, traitors to the Democratic Party.
You don't get it.

Americans are supposed to vote for the Candidate they believe will be the best President, not their party affiliation.


I know lots of Republicans that voted for Gore against Bush, for Kerry against Bush.

If Obama can't earn some Democrats' votes. He is the problem, not them.
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I don't think he can make the 3 AM decision.

I shudder to think of what McCain's 3 AM decision would be.


But if you can live with that,
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1. This carried him through the Primaries and his young supporters like this style. But, there is no substance.

2. The pledge of new politics had me watching early on.
And seemed like it could be legit. But, as time went on. He displayed the Chicago machine politics, and if anyone really looked at how he came into office, more of the same.

3. I believe for sure McCain will be a one termer. Obama will probably be creamed in office, much like Carter. I am actually concerned for him. I believe he has the ability to be a good president with some more experience. The best thing for him might be to lose, as Nixon did in 1960. He can earn the respect so many of his supporters have gladly given him by doing some good work in the Senate.
He can easliy run in 2016 or 2020 if he is the real deal.


4. 5. He has terrible advisers around him now. So the judgment thing that his adoring fans all give him, is actually quite poor.

7. Yes, the 3 a. m. call. Well, I don't think is was an accident that he texted the V P nomination announcement at 3 A M..
Just to give the finger to Hillary one more time. Petty and immature. Certainly not Presidential.
That, and the fake Presidential Seal. The putting the Obama banner up at the wailing wall in Israel at 5 a. m. for a photo op, all show very poor judgments.

We have had a frat boy in the Whitehouse for 8 years. We don't need anymore of it.



8. True, why gamble.
1.Bullshit. The substance is when he took an anti-war position when even the rest of the democrats were pro-war. The substance is ethics reform, energy reform, veteran's aid, etc. The substance is his ability to inspire others, to communicate with people, to relate to people, to make others care about what is going on. Substance in terms of being ready to be president doesn't exist. No one is ever ready for that. Period. George Bush was in his second term as Governor. Look how that turned out. And Hilary's substance is that she's been a senator for just one term longer than Obama and she was married to the president before that. I hate this argument, I really do.

2.I will admit that in the past two or three months, he has seemed a little more like 'a politician'. I will admit to being disappointed when he put the damn lapel pin back on. I will admit to being disappointed with his vote for the FISA bill. But in the end, I do want him to win, and sadly, you have to do certain things to win sometimes. At least he's never done anything nearly as disgusting as, after being a moderate for a whole career, selling out to the Evangelical far right wing the way McCain did. McCain sold out and it didn't even work - a lot of the far right wing still isn't sold on him.

3.Oh yes, 2016 or 2020. When he is 8-12 years older, has 8-12 more years of experience in Washington, and 8-12 YEARS OF BECOMING MORE CYNICAL AND JADED IN WASHINGTON. Don't you understand that after another decade or more in Washington, it will be much more difficult for Obama to pull off the message of change, of inspiration, of 'yes we can'? Don't you get that? It is his relative youth and fresh, unjaded outlook that make him so special.

4.5.I don't see how you can know all that much about his advisors one way or the other. What I do know is that he has done a VERY impressive job of running his campaign thus far, just as a business, and that to me indicates that his advisors are, at the very least, not 'terrible'.

7.You are nitpicking, grasping at straws. These are little things, they don't matter. And I don't think the 3AM thing was intentional. They wanted to hold it longer, they were disappointed that it leaked before dawn. Period. If you think these things are legitimate indicators of poor judgement, your credibility has taken a hit.

I've gotta step out for a bit. I'll be back later.
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I would rather see people vote for the candidate that is best for the country....

anyone who votes strictly along party lines is a traitor to the country....

No election should be jsut about party lines......or one issue for that matter.
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anyone who votes strictly along party lines is a traitor to the country....
Coming from a place where men, women and children died in the name of country, sometimes in the most horrible ways you can imagine

I think you people (on this thread) have thrown around the "traitor to the country" line far too easily.
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2.I will admit that in the past two or three months, he has seemed a little more like 'a politician'. I will admit to being disappointed when he put the damn lapel pin back on.
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Not to mention McCain clearly has some anger issues. Too often we see that sickly-looking forced grin that makes him look like he's just a few seconds away from blowing a gasket. He's unstable.
I know that this is terribly superficial, but whenever I see him on tv smiling or doing that fake, forced, weird laugh that he does, I have to wonder if he's an alien, or some other species for which these expressions are foreign. He creeps me the hell out.
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Obama is struggling in certain polls, certain States, certain key demographics because of who he is. No, I am not speaking of his skin color or even his politics. He's a relative unknown, a blank slate to be painted. This is why he was always less electable than Clinton. The Reps are giving him his persona.

The fact that these PUMA people want to play sour grapes or whatever is irrelevant.
It is the 'seed' that is planted by the Obamaniacs, the excuse of the moment for explaining away any future buyers remorse. Excuse making. There will never be enough of the bitter HRC vote to sway the election. The sway comes from the feeling about Obama himself irrespective of whether he gets the full Clinton vote.

Obama has determined he can win without her. Perhaps some of you should stop trying to blame her before the fact. Obama is fully capable of losing on his own.
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Obama is fully capable of losing on his own.
which is paradoxically both mind-boggling and to be expected, given the situation.
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1.Bullshit.
no Bullshit here
Your state very well may determine who will win the whitehouse for the third election is a row.

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Voters in Ohio like McCain a bit more -- at least so far

Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:31 AM
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THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Forget about swing voters. As Barack Obama heads to his party's national convention this week, he needs to convince his fellow Democrats that he should be president.

Republican John McCain holds a 1-point edge, 42 to 41 percent, in the first Dispatch Poll of the general election campaign. The Arizona senator's lead is well within the poll's margin of sampling error, plus or minus 2.2 percentage points. That means McCain could be ahead by as much as 5 points or Obama could be up by 3.

Regardless of the exact numbers, McCain is being bolstered by Ohio voters who supported Hillary Clinton in the state's March 4 Democratic primary and those who backed Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland in 2006. McCain also is doing better among party loyalists: 86 percent of Republicans back McCain, while 74 percent of Democrats support Obama.

The McCain crossovers more than offset Obama's 4-point lead among independent voters, typically the key voting bloc in any election.

The GOP senator is winning over Democratic voters like poll respondent Ted General Jr., a 40-year-old ironworker from Cleveland who voted for Democrat John Kerry in 2004.

"I'm supporting the candidate I am, John McCain, because of his positive views on 'in-house' drilling and exploration of oil, also his take on the Iraq war. We should finish what we start," General said. He called Obama's stance on Iraq "quite disturbing."

Only half of the voters who say they backed Clinton in Ohio's primary are now supporting Obama. Just 55 percent of those who said they voted for Strickland two years ago are behind Obama now.

Barbara Paxton, 59, a homemaker from Findlay, said she still wishes Clinton were the nominee.

"If her name was on the ballot I would vote for her right now, no questions asked," said Paxton, a Democratic-leaning independent. "Since I only have two choices, really (in November), I am not going to put another Bush in there for 12 years, no way. You take the lesser of two evils."

Paxton said she doesn't dislike Obama; she just very much supported Clinton.

"It's like anything, when you really got your mind set on something and can't get it, you take the next best thing, not the worst thing," Paxton said.

Obama is attempting to placate Clinton backers by giving her (and former President Clinton) a prime-time speech at the convention and allowing her name to be placed into nomination. Whether that will be enough to bring her supporters into Obama's camp is one of the key questions for the remaining 10 weeks of the presidential campaign.

Not surprisingly, key to Obama's support are young voters and African-American voters. If they turn out in numbers higher than indicated in the poll, the Illinois senator likely will win Ohio.

"This country faces several challenges in the coming years and needs a fresh outlook on how to address those problems," said survey participant Jason Stewart, a 28-year-old accountant from the Cleveland suburb of Lakewood. "I feel Barack Obama is that person. Mr. McCain represents more of the same 'old' Washington politics."

But it's not just young voters seeking a fresh start.

Judith Hecht, 70, a retired research librarian/information specialist from Dayton, is voting for Obama because, "We need a change of administration. I am angry at the way that Republicans have handled the following issues: the Iraqi war, the environment, energy usage, the economy and finally their position on a woman's right of choice."

Not all McCain supporters are rock-solid.

"McCain's age is a concern," said Michael Stevens, 48, of Columbus, who is seeking employment because his data communications job moved out of state.

"His vice president pick is very important. He needs someone who can walk right into the job in case something happened to John McCain. With the stress of the job and his age, it's a big concern."

Should McCain's age (72 this week) and Obama's race play a role in the election?

" Should is irrelevant; age, race, gender, class and health are all issues," said Obama supporter Susan Williams, 56, a part-time receptionist and file clerk who lives in Riverlea.

"This is a competition, a contest, and both candidates will spin their age as an advantage, wisdom and experience versus energy and innovation. Race is a much more volatile issue, and as a person of color, Obama has the greater challenge.
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Perhaps some of you should stop trying to blame her. Obama is fully capable of losing on his own.

McCain can not win it on his own.

He will need help.

and so far, the Obama people have been most considerate.
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I shudder to think of what McCain's 3 AM decision would be.


bomb, bomb, bomb ... bomb, bomb Iran ...
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Coming from a place where men, women and children died in the name of country, sometimes in the most horrible ways you can imagine

I think you people (on this thread) have thrown around the "traitor to the country" line far too easily.
If you read back....

My comment was in response to another statement.....

And I resent being called "you people" when you quote me.

If you think voting strictly party lines is in the best interest of a country all times, then your loyalty is to a party and not the country.

If you can show me where I have EVER consistently thrown around the word traitor, let me know. I will take back my statement. But personally I find you and a few others' hatred of McCain to be so blinding....it is pointless to engage in a discussion.
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Get a sense of humor........
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