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Old 08-20-2008, 01:43 PM   #211
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after all that,

i think you and i both agree

that the Clintons are pulling for McCain.
it is just a question of overt or covert

and to be fair

if Obama had missed by the narrowest margin
there would be a lot of anticipation about 2012,
but not as urgent, because of his youth.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:48 PM   #212
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it is just a question of overt or covert

and to be fair

if Obama had missed by the narrowest margin
there would be a lot of anticipation about 2012,
but not as urgent, because of his youth.


if you want 4 years of disinterest in economics

disinterest in weaning the country off oil

continued solidification of the upper/ruling class

and continuous conflict with each and every cough and sneeze on the geopolitical map hysterically presented as the "defining existential crisis of our time!"

then you know who to vote for.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:56 PM   #213
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if you want to change the American Flag to the Big O

if you want to change the motto from 'e pluribus unum' to Latin for 'yes we can"

if you want to put a sail on your skate board and a solar panel on top of you backward ball cap

if you want to buy scratch cards at the 7-11 to learn who the next Supreme Court Nominee is


then you know who to vote for.
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Old 08-20-2008, 02:00 PM   #214
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I have to just say that living here has only made it that much more obvious how whack your politics are.

This idiotic election has lasted two years - I don't even care anymore who wins at this point. You can't get any kind of meaningful dialogue on the TV because all you have is people going back and forth making the most inane, exaggerated arguments that you could come up with. Half the time I wonder if they are doing stand up comedy, but no, they are real.

No wonder that the elections go the way they do and no wonder that the Congress does nothing. It's quite pitiful, to be honest I feel it's almost undemocratic really.
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to be honest I feel it's almost undemocratic really.
I agree 100%
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The worst is the primary. They set the rules and so I think that you should play by them, but these rules should not be as they are. It's really very silly, I don't understand many things about it. Like the Puerto Rico voting and the sheer # of delegates that they get - what the hell? The pandering to a few states every single time, because heaven knows that the most pressing issue in this country is how a farmer in Iowa likes his corn subsidy (I have to say here that at least I can respect McCain for not pandering to this group, give credit where it is due).

But the general election with the electoral college is really not much better. If at all.
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I would very much like to see something more democratic with each each citizen's vote having equal weight in both the primaries and general election.


The 100 U. S. Senators were selected by electors (muck like the President) up until the early 1900s. Then they amended the constitution to have them elected by the popular vote in each of their respective states.

Why they have not done that for the President? there is no legitimate reason.
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Speaking of the Senate, I don't really understand why it's fine that a state like CA or NY has 2 senators and so does someplace like Rhode Island or Wyoming. If that's not undemocratic, I don't know what is. I get the argumetns for it, that else small states would never be represented, but that is no reason to give them absolutely equal representation when they are proportionally insignificant.
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Speaking of the Senate, I don't really understand why it's fine that a state like CA or NY has 2 senators and so does someplace like Rhode Island or Wyoming. If that's not undemocratic, I don't know what is. I get the argumetns for it, that else small states would never be represented, but that is no reason to give them absolutely equal representation when they are proportionally insignificant.
But isn't that what the House is for?
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But isn't that what the House is for?
I don't believe that provides a sufficient check/balance at all.
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I don't believe that provides a sufficient check/balance at all.
It absolutely is important to protect the rights of the smaller states. It is brilliant. I completely disagree. The house, proportionaly is able to give weight to the population. The Senate provides the balance to protect states rights.

I fail to see how it is not fair. It is bad enough that Texas and California influence education (TEXT BOOK COMPANIES) because of the sheer size of their states. So they are pandered to.

The system works as does the electoral college.
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if you want to change the American Flag to the Big O

if you want to change the motto from 'e pluribus unum' to Latin for 'yes we can"

if you want to put a sail on your skate board and a solar panel on top of you backward ball cap

if you want to buy scratch cards at the 7-11 to learn who the next Supreme Court Nominee is


then you know who to vote for.

it's clear the Britney/Paris ad has worked on you

if these are your concerns.
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It absolutely is important to protect the rights of the smaller states. It is brilliant. I completely disagree. The house, proportionaly is able to give weight to the population. The Senate provides the balance to protect states rights.

I fail to see how it is not fair. It is bad enough that Texas and California influence education (TEXT BOOK COMPANIES) because of the sheer size of their states. So they are pandered to.

The system works as does the electoral college.
I have heard all these arguments

similar ones have been used to defend the Electoral College

they just do not hold up


many states have Bicameral legislative branches

in CA we have a State Assembly and a State Senate

there are different numbers in the Assembly and Senate. and different terms


But, there is proportionality in the districts.



Pick the 25 smallest U S States, they may have 15% of the population,
and that 15 % can control the Senate?

as for Texas and CA controlling the Text Books, that is silly

it is not 2 states

it is 25% of the U S population that effects what text book companies want to publish, why is that unreasonable


would you prefer 5 % dictating what text books are available?

If the 5% included 15 States?

Is it 15 States vs. 2 States

or

Is it really 25% of the population vs. 5 % ?


I suppose CA, NY and Texas choose what films are made and Utah, Wyoming and Idaho get no real say.

Why should those first 3 states have more influence than the last 3 states?
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it's clear the Britney/Paris ad has worked on you


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(CNN) -- The question is starting to feel a little old: Whom will Barack Obama pick as his vice president?

Sen. Barack Obama has a big event scheduled Saturday. Will his No. 2 man (or woman) be by his side?

Sen. Barack Obama has a big event scheduled Saturday. Will his No. 2 man (or woman) be by his side?

With the clock ticking (the Democratic VP candidate delivers a big speech next Wednesday) the announcement is at most days and at least a few hours away.

Everyday seems to be "the day," the day the guessing game will finally end.

The Obama campaign sent an e-mail to reporters Wednesday with the subject line "Vice presidential ..."

The first line of the e-mail: "Just kidding."


The e-mail contained details about Obama's schedule with no mention of any of the potential vice presidential candidates.
the Obama people have done themselves in

they are just too smug and silly


this may be cute for the kids, the Colbert Report, and yes the Paris Hilton crowd


this is not adult behavior, (we don't need another goof in the WH)
it certainly is not Presidential


call me a cranky old man if you want

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if you want to buy scratch cards at the 7-11 to learn who the next Supreme Court Nominee is
my execrated prediction is starting to look like it could be a reality

he gains nothing by this asinine behavior, but turning off potential swing voters
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Old 08-20-2008, 05:26 PM   #225
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the Obama people have done themselves in

they are just too smug and silly


this may be cute for the kids, the Colbert Report, and yes the Paris Hilton crowd


this is not adult behavior, (we don't need another goof in the WH)
it certainly is not Presidential


call me a cranky old man if you want

he gains nothing by this asinine behavior, but turning off potential swing voters
Oh come on, it was a meaningless little joke. I bet some of the reporters that e-mail was sent to had a chuckle about it.
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