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Old 08-19-2008, 04:48 AM   #166
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Looking back, if I were Bush in 2000, I think I would have wanted someone with a long track record and an attack dog nature to silence some of my critics (re:experience).

And look what it did for him, he won. That's what it is all about.

Joe Biden FTW

It honestly doesn't matter who McCain picks, anything short of downright embarassing is all the same for him. I can't forsee a big problem unless he picks Romney.
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Old 08-19-2008, 07:48 AM   #167
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Will they just pick someone and get it over with already?
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Old 08-19-2008, 07:57 AM   #168
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Even after all this time they will both be yawns
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:03 PM   #169
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another perspective

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A Word On Trust; Or, Why John Edwards Still Matters

19 Aug 2008 11:47 am

Early in the spring, Barack Obama asked John Kerry for his advice on the vice presidential selection process. Kerry was too happy to oblige. Choose someone, he told Obama, that you trust completely. Don't expect the process to build trust. Don't choose someone with the expectation that you'll develop a trust.

This was, of course, the lesson that Kerry learned from 2004; he thought he could trust John Edwards; Edwards had promised Kerry that he deserved Kerry's trust; Edwards promised Kerry that he would be his full and complete partner.

It didn't work. And the recent revelations about Edwards personal life make Kerry's advice all the more acute.

In truth, there aren't too many potential VP picks who could be fairly said to have earned Barack Obama's trust. Not Hillary Clinton. Probably not Joe Biden. Not Evan Bayh. How could they? They've spent so little time with Obama, and none on neutral territory, when they have nothing to gain and thus no incentive to modify their behavior.

Michelle Obama, too, has counseled her husband about the imperative to trust the person he picks.

Assuming Obama agrees, it stands to reason that he won't choose someone he does not trust ALREADY.

He trusts Gov. Sebelius. He trusts Gov. Kaine. He trusts Sen. Jack Reed.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:28 PM   #170
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Why wouldn't he trust Joe Biden? I fail to see that reasoning.

Obama doesn't have many ties anywhere at the Fed level, so who is he to truly trust based on that reasoning? 4 years ago he was still at the State level.

The reason Edwards was a bad choice was because he always was a phony. And the insiders knew this but Kerry wasn't exactly a "rock star" and thought he needed to unite the party.

Moral to the story: forget uniting the party (Edwards-04), forget trying to piggyback a State (Gore-92), forget trying to go for a demographic (Lieberman-00) just go for someone who will not embarass you, who will strengthen the already wafer thin ticket and will help you win by eviscerating the Republican stooge in the VP debate. As far as trust...? Jack Reed goes on one trip with Obama and he supposedly has earned his trust, yet Biden and Bayh are 'outsiders'? I don't buy it but what do I know?

I tell ya one thing I was right about. John Edwards being a fake bastard.
"Hate to say I told you so!" ...that was a cool song. Whatever happened to those guys?
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:31 PM   #171
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Right now, Biden seems to be the obvious choice, especially taking into consideration his foriegn policy experience.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:32 PM   #172
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politico.com

McCain weighs a Lieberman surprise

Alexander Burns, Jonathan Martin, Mike Allen 53 minutes ago

John McCain is seriously considering choosing a pro-abortion-rights running mate despite vocal resistance from conservatives, with former Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) very much in the mix, close McCain advisers say.

Under strong consideration: former Pennsylvania Republican Gov. Tom Ridge, and Lieberman, who was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000.

Multiple GOP sources say that party officials in Washington and in the states have been contacted by the McCain campaign in the past two weeks and asked about the fallout from such a choice. One person familiar with the calls said the party was being instructed to prepare for different candidate prototypes — including one in the mold of Lieberman, who is an independent but still caucuses with the Democrats.

One obstacle for Lieberman may be legal. A GOP official said that since he is not a Republican, Lieberman may have a challenge being certified on some state ballots.

But GOP sources say McCain and his close friend Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) still haven’t given up hope on making what some believe would be a game-changing decision by tapping Lieberman.

Lieberman’s office declined to discuss the topic. “Those questions are best left to the McCain campaign at this time,” said Erika Masonhall, Lieberman’s Senate press secretary.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:37 PM   #173
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Speaking of Lieberman - very funny and apt spelling error in an article circulated by the Associated Press. Read the last paragraph closely:

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Old 08-19-2008, 04:40 PM   #174
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With a last name like Pickler you'd think she'd be more alert to that particular mistake...
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:42 PM   #175
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:54 PM   #176
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When I said I couldn't forsee a big problem with McCain's choice (short of Romney) I wasn't even considering Lieberman. That choice would end this race. And that's why he will never choose him.

Besides the abortion issue, he's a Democrat for Christ's sake. 72 year old John McCain picking a Democrat essentially to succeed him? Never in a thousand years.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:56 PM   #177
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Technically he's an Independent. Isn't he still one?

Remember, McCain's a MAVERICK *in scary movie trailer guy voice*
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:14 PM   #178
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politico.com

McCain weighs a Lieberman surprise

Alexander Burns, Jonathan Martin, Mike Allen 53 minutes ago

John McCain is seriously considering choosing a pro-abortion-rights running mate despite vocal resistance from conservatives, with former Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) very much in the mix, close McCain advisers say.

Under strong consideration: former Pennsylvania Republican Gov. Tom Ridge, and Lieberman, who was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000.

Multiple GOP sources say that party officials in Washington and in the states have been contacted by the McCain campaign in the past two weeks and asked about the fallout from such a choice. One person familiar with the calls said the party was being instructed to prepare for different candidate prototypes — including one in the mold of Lieberman, who is an independent but still caucuses with the Democrats.

One obstacle for Lieberman may be legal. A GOP official said that since he is not a Republican, Lieberman may have a challenge being certified on some state ballots.

But GOP sources say McCain and his close friend Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) still haven’t given up hope on making what some believe would be a game-changing decision by tapping Lieberman.

Lieberman’s office declined to discuss the topic. “Those questions are best left to the McCain campaign at this time,” said Erika Masonhall, Lieberman’s Senate press secretary.
The RNC just came out today and said McCain will not pick a pro-abortion VP, so no Ridge or Lieberman, thank God.

"Republican National Committee officials said Tuesday that McCain is no longer considering former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge.

Several sources at the RNC told FOX News that in the last 36 hours, senior McCain advisers and aides have told RNC officials that McCain “got the message” last week that choosing a running mate who supports abortion rights would not be helpful."
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:15 PM   #179
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He's a maverick-RNC is no match for that
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:20 PM   #180
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The RNC just came out today and said McCain will not pick a pro-abortion VP, so no Ridge or Lieberman, thank God.

"Republican National Committee officials said Tuesday that McCain is no longer considering former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge.

Several sources at the RNC told FOX News that in the last 36 hours, senior McCain advisers and aides have told RNC officials that McCain “got the message” last week that choosing a running mate who supports abortion rights would not be helpful."
Pro-choice. The term is pro-choice.
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