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Old 08-05-2008, 01:51 AM   #151
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What's the alternative?

he would not be the nominee if he had not played up his "I did not support this dumb war" in the primaries

He should stick to his convictions and choose Dennis Kucinich or Cynthia McKinney
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Old 08-05-2008, 02:06 AM   #152
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I meant what's the alternative come November for Obama supporters who dislike his VP pick, not what are Obama's alternatives for VP.
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Old 08-05-2008, 02:31 AM   #153
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Obama's supporters will support him no matter what, it seems.

He can change his Iraq pull out plan.

He can be for off shore drilling now.

He can be for FISA.

It seems that most of his 45% just want a change in what the next occupant of the Whitehouse looks like.
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:28 AM   #154
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Bayh does seem to make a whole lot of sense. i would prefer the energy Biden would bring to the ticket -- and i think Hillary would be an interesting choice, though i agree with Obama, WTF does one do with Bill -- but the senator from IN does make sense.

the fact that INDY is so impressed with him speaks volumes to me.

and Bayh is a Clintonite. it's something of an olive branch.
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Old 08-05-2008, 12:08 PM   #155
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I meant what's the alternative come November for Obama supporters who dislike his VP pick, not what are Obama's alternatives for VP.
Like deep said, it's not about the people already supporting him. He could pick Ronald MacDonald as his VP and they'd still vote for him. He needs to reach out to independents. Bayh is not greatly known outside Indiana. I think a lot of people aren't sure what Obama believes in, with him being so new and giving a handful of contradictory statements recently (drilling, financing, NAFTA, timetables, etc), and picking a VP who voted for the war and the PATRIOT Act may only confuse them more.

I do think Indiana is a crucial state. I have always thought that McCain would win it unless Obama picked Bayh, at which point it would be a toss-up.
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Old 08-05-2008, 12:14 PM   #156
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However, he supported the war in Iraq and voted for the Patriot Act in 2006, both of which may anger some Democrats.

Unfortunately many Dems caved at that time...
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Obama's supporters will support him no matter what, it seems.

He can change his Iraq pull out plan.

He can be for off shore drilling now.

He can be for FISA.

It seems that most of his 45% just want a change in what the next occupant of the Whitehouse looks like.

So the natural solution would be for us to just go ahead and vote for McCain right?



I don't think you really understand what motivates the Obama supporters (at least around here--I can't speak for the Obama Girls and whatnot). I know I've tried to articulate it, and it's like it just falls on deaf ears; you just keep characterizing us as mindless supporters of this guy.
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It seems that most of his 45% just want a change in what the next occupant of the Whitehouse looks like.
What's that supposed to mean?
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Old 08-05-2008, 02:36 PM   #159
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So the natural solution would be for us to just go ahead and vote for McCain right?


not necessarily

my reaction to this election is:


I do realize Nov is coming pretty quick
and I will have to choose one


I have always said Obama is a good candidate, but I prefer a candidate with more of a track record,

the one person that keeps making statements that bring this into consideration, is Obama himself


as for McCain he is the best person the GOP could have nominated,
despite this round of campaigning, he does have a track record.
that is the best indication of what kind of President he would be
and with Dem gains in the Senate there will not be any extreme appointments.
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Old 08-07-2008, 08:17 AM   #160
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McCain has been positive? I must have missed that day Actually negative and scornful are two words that come to mind when I think about him.


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ARLINGTON, Va. — Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, often mentioned as a possible running mate for Republican presidential candidate John McCain, said Wednesday GOP candidates would do well to adopt a positive tone like that of McCain's Democratic rival, Barack Obama.

"Say what you will about Barack Obama," the Minnesota Republican told a conservative group, "people gravitate when you have something positive to say." He added that McCain has been positive as well.

"People want to follow hopeful, optimistic, civil, decent leaders," Pawlenty said in a speech to GOPAC, which helps recruit Republican candidates. "They don't want to follow some negative, scornful person."

Ronald Reagan still offers important lessons for today's Republican Party, Pawlenty said, because the former president was civil, optimistic, pragmatic and a good communicator.

"He actually had some ideas," Pawlenty said, adding that the Republican idea factory has seemed "a little stagnant in recent years."

Pawlenty, 47, said he came of age during President Reagan's tenure in the 1980s, but acknowledged the Republican icon is ancient history to young people.

"If you're under 40, that was a long time ago, man," he said to laughter.

The party needs to update its message to appeal to voters who want new ideas and government results and to counter the perception that Republicans are "not for the working person," Pawlenty said. He advocated policies like better training and performance pay for teachers, online college education opportunities and reworking health insurance to reward providers that show good results and save money.

Pawlenty shied away from talking about joining McCain on the ticket.
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So abortion rights are negotiable but gay rights are not acceptable? Can't "work together" on that?


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WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Wednesday floated the prospect of picking a running mate who supports abortion rights and cited former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge as someone worth considering.

“I think that the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party,” McCain said in an interview with The Weekly Standard.

“And also I feel that — and I’m not trying to equivocate here — that Americans want us to work together,” McCain added. “You know, Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don’t think that that would necessarily would rule Tom Ridge out.”

McCain had been asked about comments he made to several reporters during the GOP primary season about the prospect of picking New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg for vice president. The Arizona senator praised Bloomberg, but said the mayor’s support for abortion rights would make it tough to choose him.

Ridge, McCain told the magazine, would be more palatable to social conservatives who make up the base of the Republican Party.

“I think it’s a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice,” McCain said. He called the gap between the two sides a disagreement - “albeit strong.”

“And I think Ridge is a great example of that,” McCain added. “Far more so than Bloomberg, because Bloomberg is pro-gay rights, you know, a number of other issues.”

McCain opposes abortion rights.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:16 PM   #162
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Who will Obama pick?



I heard he is making the announcement in a South Park episode playing himself.
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It will be one of Biden, Bayh, and Kaine. I think Kaine is a longshot.

Biden is the choice if he wants the most qualified of the three, the guy who will be the best VP.

Bayh is the choice if all he's thinking about his getting votes from Indiana/Ohio.

I'm really hoping for Biden. He is by far the best choice of the three.
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I dying to know

I put South Park on season pass on my TIVO

I don't want to miss it.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:49 AM   #165
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If I was putting down a bet in Vegas

I'd go with Biden.


Biden has the gravitas to counter Obama's lightweight image.
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