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Old 10-04-2008, 10:11 AM   #346
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Living in a swing state is insanity. I'm not used to this kind of attention!
i thank god every morning that i don't live in a swing state. :Pray:
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:54 AM   #347
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Funny. I seem to remember a big deal being made when she first joined the campaign about he she was against earmarks, despite the fact that as governor of Alaska she held the largest per capita earmark spending out of any other governor. That certainly doesn't seem like a change of heart. And then even she herself used the bridge to nowhere as an example of her stance against earmarks. Oh, expect she neglected to mention that she was initially in favor of it, and very vocal about her support, too.
Alaska has a small population that still requires lots of infrastructure, but she also had a person before her who wanted huge spending. At least she spend much less than him and was willing to fight corruption. I'm sure Alaska has a way to go but she wasn't there long enough. Better to use her talents as a possible future president than just Alaska.

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Is this supposed to be some unique, especially insightful view of hers? It's common sense.
Commonly people aren't pursuing that. The savings rate is historically low. She better mention it or else people will continue blaming only politicians and ignore their responsibility. Scapegoating is a pastime for some people. If you control your spending then you are in the smart minority.

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When it comes to balancing the budget, I find it extremely funny to hear anyone who has supported the current Republican party & the party of the past 8 years trying to paint the Democrats as the ones we should worry about when it comes to spending. If I recall correctly, Bill Clinton, a Democrat and one of those nasty liberals, didn't do too shabby when it came to balancing the budget. The Republican Party hasn't been the party of small government in a long, long time.
Yeah they weren't a party of small government since the Clinton era where they pushed moving welfare to the states and time limits on welfare plus controlling spending. I'm sure Clinton was happy being there during the Contract with America years. It makes him look good. At least he didn't use his line item veto on them. I'll give him credit for that. Many conservatives only pursued the Republican party because Democrats promised more spending and were in the "cut 'n run" attitude on the war. Anyways what has the house done recently? What is Obama's plan? What is the House's plan? Obama said McCain's idea of a spending freeze is a hatchet and only a scapel is necessary. What does that mean in concrete terms. He wants more spending and more taxes. The taxes better be enough to cover the new spending. America's debt is so bad now that we have to go back to the end of WWII to see worse. Much of that debt wasn't the war but spending entitlements for health care and education which Democrats thought weren't enough. When the Republicans moved to the left the Democrats often move farther to the left to be in competition. I disagree with past Republicans on that. Maybe if the Democrats moved to the right on spending control they would gain some conservatives. Actually that would be a smart move for Obama if he made his campaign about controlling spending faster than McCain by using the tax increases, but he would have to reduce spending promises. I'm not sure he wants to cut those promises.

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She stays on the McCain talking points because she isn't knowledgeable enough to expand on them. Biden showed he is comfortably actually relating real world issues to the talking points and expanding on them. Palin did not.
Yeah but lots of what Biden said was just backtracking from comments he had before or useless opinions about the war which the democratic party was way behind on. His small town Home Depot comments weren't even accurate. The guy is out of touch. Quantity doesn't mean much without quality. Their focus is not going to war in the first place and making it harder to do so in the future. That only makes sense if Russia, Iran, Venezuela, N. Korea and others act this way as well.

If the Obama campaign thinks anything like this thread:

http://forum.interference.com/f199/m...ly-189884.html

Then the republicans are right about Obama being weak on foreign policy and can't be trusted.

JohnMcCain.com - McCain-Palin 2008

Sarah Palin's Lies

These will be the talking points on both sides from now on until the other debates.
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:14 PM   #348
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Tell me how Obama is going to balance the budget. I'd like to hear this. There must be an explanation.
Has either one of the canidates even mentioned balancing the budget? I know for sure McCain hasn't, you can't promise years in Iraq, tax cuts, and balanced budget; even with conservative fuzzy math, that doesn't work.
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:20 PM   #349
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A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It's one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O'Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.
This guy was Olbermann's 'Worst Person In The World' last night.
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:37 PM   #350
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I think he's discribing Keith Olbermann in that comment as well. Keiths just like Bill, with the only difference being I agree with his POV more.

Oh an Keith is a lot funnier and doesn't take himself as serious. He knows he's there for entertainment and that's it.
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Old 10-04-2008, 02:47 PM   #351
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How is McCain going to "cut spending" if he's spending so much money in Iraq? That's the biggest money problem we have. I wish Obama and Biden would note that more.
McCain knows that withdrawing prematurely from Iraq would be a mistake and would end up costing the United States more in the long run as the US would risk having to send large numbers of troops back to the region. McCain supports only withdrawing troops from Iraq as conditions warrent it.

General David Petraeus has been promoted to CENTCOM commander and is now in charge of Iraq and Afghanistan. If Obama happens to win and takes office in January 2009, he would be wise to listen to General Petraeus and forget his foolish time based withdrawal plans for Iraq. Only as conditions improve and the Iraqi's prove ready to handle the security situation, can the United States responsibly withdraw from the country. Obama claimed the surge strategy would fail and increase violence in Iraq. Obama could not have been more wrong, and Bush and McCain more right. If Obama is smart, he will essentially differ to Petraeus on both Iraq and Afghanistan if he happens to become President.
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Has either one of the canidates even mentioned balancing the budget? I know for sure McCain hasn't, you can't promise years in Iraq, tax cuts, and balanced budget; even with conservative fuzzy math, that doesn't work.
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM10...ricashshs.html

See page 4. I'm sure the bailout has pushed the goal into the second term because some tax cuts are happening and 700 billion - 1 trillion is being added on to the debt. So probably he will have to find 10 trillion over the years to reduce the deficit. Iraq will be reduced and Afghanistan will continue so the war won't be cut. It will have to be entitlement programs they have to find efficiencies. When the business cycle comes back there will be more government revenue collected. He will probably freeze spending. I hope that if they balance the budget they start paying (like in Canada) the debt down to reduce the interest payments. That will help with keeping tax cuts permanent.
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I'd prefer the guy who says a lot and is occasionally wrong to the person who says nothing and still hasn't shown America she has any knowledge or viewpoints.

You mean you prefer a guy who is on another planet when it comes to substance. At least Sarah Palin understands that it would be foolish to prematurely withdraw US troops from Iraq and does not have some WILD plan to divide Iraq into 3 countries like Biden.
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Yes, they both have "plans" on their websites but McCain has never mentioned it, it's not his priority for he's a moron when it comes to the economy.


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When the business cycle comes back there will be more government revenue collected. He will probably freeze spending.
Freeze spending? What evidence do you have that conservatives now a days want this? There is none.
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Oh an Keith is a lot funnier and doesn't take himself as serious. He knows he's there for entertainment and that's it.
Keith seems pretty serious to me, most of the time.

He is entertaining though.
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I was supposed to see Biden tomorrow but he has cancelled all campaign events as his mother-in-law is gravely ill. Best wishes to the Biden family...seeing Beau shipped off to Iraq and now Jill Biden's mother is very sick.
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I was supposed to see Biden tomorrow but he has cancelled all campaign events as his mother-in-law is gravely ill. Best wishes to the Biden family...seeing Beau shipped off to Iraq and now Jill Biden's mother is very sick.

wow.. sorry to hear about this.. Prayers going his way from me too.
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Anyone else not like being referred to as "Joe six pack" ??

interesting - Sarah Palin's Lies

Well, I don't drink so. . .I guess I can't be Joe Six Pack.
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I would say it's tossed around towards people who are condescending like the only way someone might be conservative is if they're some uneducated hick. (which your comments about "rural values" does seem a bit condescending.) Being that this site is extremely liberal, I doubt many on here see how condescending they can be towards people in little town America. A recent example is all the sudden bashing of anything "folksy.
The "betcha" and that sort of thing is in the common language where I live. Are we all too uneducated to be elected to high office because of the way we talk?
Condescension cuts both ways. It's simply a way of saying "I'm better than you" and I've heard it from both liberals and conservatives on this forum. "Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone" and all that. . .

I really don't have a problem with a spirited debate between liberal and conservative points of view. Unfortunately that doesn't happen very often on this forum and it's not solely the fault of the "liberal tone" of the forum. I have yet to see a conservative poster on this forum not resort to the kind "liberals hate America and love the terrorists" kind of nonsense in their arguments. When this is the kind of "argument" you're presenting can you really complain when you're condescended to? I mean is it really so hard to concluded that both liberals and conservatives love their country and want the best for it, they just disagree on the best way to get there.

So like I say, the denigration of the character and "values" of a particular point of view most definitely cuts both ways. Lot of straw men in this house. . .
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Sting's observation of Biden's mistatement of facts is well taken.

I find it ludicrous though, his implication that only Democratic politicians engage in this kind of dishonesty. The Republicans always tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Is that it?
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