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Old 10-02-2008, 11:03 PM   #226
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The McCain camp insisted on this set up. In exchange for agreeing that there will be no sparring between the VP candidates, McCain basically agreed to a free for all in the presidential debates.
Then how come there was so much talking to the camera in the presidential debate?

(There was, wasn't there? Maybe I'm misremembering.)
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:04 PM   #227
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I'm beaming in from the Canadian debate...Palin didn't spontaneously combust?
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:04 PM   #228
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Don't know what other people thought, and I don't have time to read through the thread, but I thought Biden was fantastic. He was very articulate without getting excessive, he didn't try to correct Palin on her mistakes (as the media will do that anyway), he was gracious yet unwavering, he was honest, and he was presidential.

I give Palin credit for speaking like an ordinary person at times and being down to earth. Unfortunately for her, this job is anything but ordinary. And I thought it was quite clear that she just isn't knowledgable enough to be seriously considered for a position of this magnitude.

With McCain being 72, I honestly can't understand why people would even consider the McCain/Palin ticket, regardless of their party affiliation. It's just that obvious.

And there's my monthly FYM appearance.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:06 PM   #229
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Then how come there was so much talking to the camera in the presidential debate?

(There was, wasn't there? Maybe I'm misremembering.)
Because it really depends on the moderator and how closely they want to stick to their own pre-determined format.

Actually I think this format helped Biden, because I don't think he could have held back from eventually losing it on her.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:08 PM   #230
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Hmm, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying for me.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:08 PM   #231
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From a huge Obama supporter in New York City...and I quote...

" No major meltdowns for her - that's a disappointment for our side"

"Very spirited"

"I was hoping this would sink their ticket - the debate won't do that - McCain will have to do that himself."
I'm inclined to agree here, even though I thought her smugness and folkiness turned me off and possibly some independents.

Doggone it.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:08 PM   #232
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Listening to CNN...

biden won
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:12 PM   #233
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CNN poll:

Biden won - 51%
Palin won 36%


84% thought Palin did better than expected. Big number, but a whole 60-some% also thought Biden did better than expected.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:16 PM   #234
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Expectation factor included, the only camp to benefit was McCain/Palin.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:18 PM   #235
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It's different if you're not American, honestly.

But it isn't irrelevant that the world outside America seems to strongly favor Obama.
We're a few years ahead of you though. You're only *just* starting to reach the kind of Bush disapproval levels we hit (and have since dramaticaly surpassed) at least 7 years ago.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:32 PM   #236
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CNN poll is now saying

Biden-72%
Palin-25%

I know it doesn't really mean anything, but, yowza.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:39 PM   #237
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I mentioned it before but I'll say it again - Palin officially lost that debate when she ignorantly implied that Biden didn't know what it was like to raise a family. Is she unfamiliar with his story? Very strange.

Anyway, that set it up for Biden to tear up in an emotionally charged, and wonderful moment where the women's reaction in the focus group shot through the roof. And I don't know if Palin was shuffling through her notes (she looked like she was relying on the notes all debate long) or just not paying attention at all because as soon as he stopped talking, there she was grinning and flirting with the camera and reciting a talking point like a robot without a heart.

It was a really bad visual.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:40 PM   #238
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Well, none of the comments here in little San Francisco are a surprise tonight.

I think Palin did a good job, especially considering the beating that she has taken the past two weeks. Despite Biden's massive advantage in foreign policy experience she was able to get some good shots in that Biden could not rebut. He either avoided the point or repeated his prior response which so many people criticize Palin for doing.

I was hoping that she would nail him on the fact that he voted against removing Saddam's military from Kuwait in 1991, a policy that even the French supported with ground troops, but there wasn't time to get to what was at least up to then, the most important vote of Joe Biden's career.

We should know in about 3 or 4 days the effect this debate had on the national polls and in about a week the effect on the state polls. John McCain has had a very rough two weeks primarily because of the financial crises. I think at a minimum this will stop the slide that John McCain has been experiencing in the polls. But McCain/Palin have a lot of ground to make up in order to get back in the competitive position they were in three weeks ago.
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Count me in as someone extremely impressed with Biden tonight. He did an excellent job of speaking to the American people with understanding, empathy, and more importantly, substance.
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CNN poll is now saying

Biden-72%
Palin-25%

I know it doesn't really mean anything, but, yowza.
The Fox poll has:

Palin 88%
Biden 12%
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