2008 U.S. Presidential Election: Second Debate

[deep]

Obama=MLK/JFK.

in his dreams

and the minds of people that don't have a clue who jfk or mlk jr were

 

[U2isthebest]

John, are you out of your fucking mind? If any business owner isn't offering health care to every single one of their employees that want it, they should be fined.

 

[phillyfan26]

McCain has me laughing hysterically, courtesy of, within a minute of each other, angrily identifying Obama as "that one," and then, in the background of Obama speaking, gesturing annoyance to an audience member over something Obama said.

Well done. The comedy just got upped.

 

[mobvok]

I think Tom's the victim of candidate stupidity.

Why would McCain and Obama agree to a neutered format when they clearly want to go at it and challenge each other?

 

[skjuls]

How was he sucking up to the companies?

I want to know too!

 

[LarryMullen's POPAngel]

Is this the final debate or is there one more?

 

[phillyfan26]

Brokaw is the most stand-up of the moderator of any of the debates I've seen in the past three elections.

 

[ladywithspinninghead]

CNN has this psuedo-EKG monitor on the bottom that's supposedly measuring "uncommitted Ohio voters," both men and women.

Ooh, the men approved! Ooh, now the women's line bumped up above the men's? What the shit is this? Ooh!

It's pointless.

I noticed the line goes down every time one of the candidates attacks the other

 

[mobvok]

Is this the final debate or is there one more?

One more. It's back to the podium format, I think.

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

thank you obama!

 

[corianderstem]

I may have missed a moment - did Obama dispute the "you will be fined for having no health care" claim? I'd like to know more about how that.

 

[U2isthebest]

McCain has me laughing hysterically, courtesy of, within a minute of each other, angrily identifying Obama as "that one," and then, in the background of Obama speaking, gesturing annoyance to an audience member over something Obama said.

Well done. The comedy just got upped.

I'm still lol'ing at his disdain for government mandates on health care. Does he realize what would happen to our health care system without mandates and oversight?

 

[Dalton]

Obama seems a little too angry. I can't imagine people are digging that.

 

[diamond]

o is winning this one..

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

jules why aren't u on AIM

 

[phillyfan26]

Obama seems a little too angry. I can't imagine people are digging that.

Obama seems to be the calm one compared to McCain.

 

[corianderstem]

I'm pleased that the health care issue came up.

 

[VintagePunk]

That was an awesome explanation of what's wrong with McCain's health care plan.

It's unfathomable to me that insurance companies there refuse treatment to people.

 

[the iron horse]

Healthcare
Making Healthcare Safe and Affordable

As recently as the 1960s, low-cost health insurance was available to virtually everyone in America - including people with existing medical problems. Doctors made house calls. A hospital stay cost only a few days' pay. Charity hospitals were available to take care of families who could not afford to pay for healthcare.

Since then the federal government has increasingly intervened through Medicare, Medicaid, the HMO Act and tens of thousands of regulations on doctors, hospitals and health-insurance companies.

Today, more than 50 percent of all healthcare dollars are spent by the government.
Health insurance costs are skyrocketing. Government health programs are heading for bankruptcy. Politicians continue to pile on the regulations.

The Libertarian Party knows the only healthcare reforms that will make a real difference are those that draw on the strength of the free market.

The Libertarian Party will work towards the following:

1. Establish Medical Saving Accounts.
Under this program, you could deposit tax-free money into a Medical Savings Account (MSA). Whenever you need the money to pay medical bills, you will be able to withdraw it. For individuals without an MSA, the Libertarian Party will work to make all healthcare expenditures 100 percent tax deductible.

2. Deregulate the healthcare industry.
We should repeal all government policies that increase health costs and decrease the availability of medical services. For example, every state has laws that mandate coverage of specific disabilities and diseases. These laws reduce consumer choice and increase the cost of health insurance. By making insurance more expensive, mandated benefits increase the number of uninsured American workers.

3. Remove barriers to safe, affordable medicines.
We should replace harmful government agencies like the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) with more agile, free-market alternatives. The mission of the FDA is to protect us from unsafe medicines. In fact, the FDA has driven up healthcare costs and deprived millions of Americans of much-needed treatments. For example, during a 10-year delay in approving Propanolol Propranolol (a heart medication for treating angina and hypertension), approximately 100,000 people died who could have been treated with this lifesaving drug. Bureaucratic roadblocks kill sick Americans.


~The Libertarian Party

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

Obama seems a little too angry. I can't imagine people are digging that.

rly? where when I don't see it... he seems pretty level-headed right now..

 

[U2isthebest]

If he calls me his fucking friend one more time, I'm throwing a heavy object at my TV.

 

[skjuls]

Obama seems a little too angry. I can't imagine people are digging that.

Depends on who you ask. I know a lot of supporters who want him to get angry and attack.

Independents? I don't know!

 

[Dalton]

I'm not watching Cnn, how are the voters responding to the two candidates?

 

[deep]

Obama just said all banks go to Delaware because of the lax laws for credit cards. That screw the public over, he is right.



Hey Obama, guess who carried the legislation for those lax Credit Card laws and the bankruptcy laws that favor the banks and credit card companies that are all located in Delaware?

 

[skjuls]

If he calls me his fucking friend one more time, I'm throwing a heavy object at my TV.

Shouldn't you take a drink. That reminds me, let me go open a bottle of wine!

Amy, I will log on! Hold, please!!

 

[Babydoll]

McCain seems addicted to starting a sentence with/inserting the words "My friends"

 

[mobvok]

Obama just said all banks go to Delaware because of the lax laws for credit cards. That screw the public over, he is right.



Hey Obama, guess who carried the legislation for those lax Credit Card laws and the bank ruptcy laws that favor the banks and credit card companies that all located in Delaware?

I was so hoping he would mention Delaware....awkward!

 

[mobvok]

I'm not watching Cnn, how are the voters responding to the two candidates?

From the andrewsullivan.com blog, he liveblogged that the women voter feedback went to the top of the charts in favor of Obama a couple of times during his last health care response.

EDIT from Swampland:

9:59 p.m. - JP - Seriously, on that health-care-as-right thing: the dial-group's women had their dials jammed at the maximum for Obama for nearly his full answer. I think he may have broken the equipment.

 

[VintagePunk]

I'm not watching Cnn, how are the voters responding to the two candidates?

Obama has more highs, and they're more sustained. McCain has had some highs, but he's flatlining a lot more, too.

 

[deep]

I'm pleased that the health care issue came up.

both of their answers are just pandering to the Insurance companies