2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread 13: Victory Lap

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In our defense... actually there is no defense. I don't care how strangely worded the amendment was on paper, people need to research what they are voting for. Amendment 2, I can understand. Amendment 1... what the fuck people, honestly.
 
My biggest concern now is that with the Democrats having damn near complete control, they're really going to do some STUPID shit the next couple of years. :sigh: It's like ya just can't win. I'm hoping Obama is smart enough and in control enough to prevent the stupidity from getting out of control.

Welcome to socialism. Line up forms to the left to pick up your membership card. You'll be in line for days though, because we're big, unwieldy, and not very efficient. :hug:
 
In our defense... actually there is no defense. I don't care how strangely worded the amendment was on paper, people need to research what they are voting for. Amendment 2, I can understand. Amendment 1... what the fuck people, honestly.

Having been to Florida several times, I'm fairly confident that a good portion of the people voting to keep the Asians down are not confused at all.


Welcome to socialism. Line up forms to the left to pick up your membership card. You'll be in line for days though, because we're big, unwieldy, and not very efficient. :hug:

Does that mean it's also going to get real cold here? :( I don't mind standing in line so long as it's warm - warm like FREEDOM!
 
Does that mean it's also going to get real cold here? :( I don't mind standing in line so long as it's warm - warm like FREEDOM!

Not sure about the weather, but snacks will be provided in line funded by money taken from rich dudes, so at least there's that.

Isn't his sister married to a Canadian or something? Canadians have this odd habit of trying to find "Canadian Connections" to things, which I always find odd...

It's like we always need to validate ourselves. :cute:
 
To join in the chorus....I loved Obama's speech and espeically how he didn't swagger AT ALL.
Instead he reached out and asked for help from the other side...

" I will be your president too" ....doesn't sound like swagger to me....

He could have pulled out the tired line of having political capitol like you know who...but our guy, he's too classy for that. It's called grace!

What a joy this day is!!
 
I'm down with health care for all no matter how much money one makes.

It blows my mind that many Americans are so frightened of universal health care. One of the main arguments against it I've heard is government inefficiency, that the government couldn't be trusted to run it. Well, elect a more efficient government, and hold them accountable.
 
"Among the more unusual measures on this year’s ballots was one in Florida that would repeal an old clause in the state constitution that allows legislators to bar Asian immigrants from owning land. The repeal would be symbolic, as equal protection laws would prevent lawmakers from applying the ban. With 78 percent of precincts reporting just before 11 p.m., the vote was close, with 52 percent voting to preserve the clause."


Florida. :cute:

If it's the will of the people, it doesn't matter who gets fucked over. :happy:
 
It blows my mind that many Americans are so frightened of universal health care. One of the main arguments against it I've heard is government inefficiency, that the government couldn't be trusted to run it. Well, elect a more efficient government, and hold them accountable.

TRUST THE GUV'MENT!?!?

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?

Yeah. We could do that.

Socialism isn't something that should be feared.
 
To join in the chorus....I loved Obama's speech and espeically how he didn't swagger AT ALL.
Instead he reached out and asked for help from the other side...

" I will be your president too" ....doesn't sound like swagger to me....

He could have pulled out the tired line of having political capitol like you know who...but our guy, he's too classy for that. It's called grace!

What a joy this day is!!

That is the one thing I noticed most about last night's speech as well.
Very unique in this day and age. And refreshing.
 
what i loved most about last night was that you saw "my" America celebrating in the streets.

young, urban, multicultural, multiracial, gay, straight, rich, poor, and without any time at all for the politics of resentment, anger, fear, or jealousy.

that, my friends, is the "real" America, imho.
 
I saw some great footage of the Seattle celebrations on the news earlier, and I teared up yet again. Cheering, hugging, American flags waving .... dang, I wish I lived closer to downtown or the Capitol Hill neighborhood - I would have thrown on my shoes and joined them.

What am amazing sight.

I just read a detailed account of my friend's experience at Grant Park last night, and it was great to read a first-hand account. Got all teary again, damnit.
 
what i loved most about last night was that you saw "my" America celebrating in the streets.

young, urban, multicultural, multiracial, gay, straight, rich, poor, and without any time at all for the politics of resentment, anger, fear, or jealousy.

that, my friends, is the "real" America, imho.


I do realize a large portion of America felt the Bush Administration did not care for or represent them.


The trick is to have a President that has broad appeal to all groups.

I feel Bill Clinton was able to appeal to some people in all groups.



Obama has not done this, yet.
 
Actually last night we took a step in fixing what this country has screwed up in the past 8 years. The last 8 years wasn't about hope or action to improve, it was about wrapping ourselves in American flags and pretending we're great and don't need anyone else.

What the left doesn't get is that the rest of the world won't like the U.S. anyways and they want the U.S. superpower status to diminish out of envy. I could of course cross my fingers and see Obama do a surge in Afghanistan and hunt for Bin Laden, but I better not have false hope.

You really do yourself a disservice when you make these hugely inaccurate generalizations.

I know, conservative generalizations aren't popular here.:D I should use some Democrat ones. "Yes we did!" When Obama looks at the deficit and how little wiggle room he has it will be "No I didn't yet."

Americans are going to have to learn a lesson. If you want more social programs then you will have to pay for it, because "there's a lot of rich people out there to tax."
 
Obama has not done this, yet.



did you listen to his speech last night?

though i agree -- there are some out there who will not let Obama be "their" president no matter what he does.

another question: do you think HRC would have won last night?
 
Are you referring to Obama's mere 349 electoral votes or his mere 7.5 million popular vote margin?



the 64% of the country who were inspired to vote, the highest since 1908? the fact that he got a majority of the popular vote, something that Clinton never did? the fact that he got a greater majority than LBJ?

(and it's likely that it will be more than 349 as i bet NC will go for BHO)
 
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