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Old 12-17-2008, 06:44 PM   #691
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You people really, really crack me up.

Smoking is good now, all of a sudden?
You aren't being serious, are you?
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:45 PM   #692
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^I am! I'm going to start smoking now because Obama did. Cigarettes and pot. I'm so badass.
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:50 PM   #693
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Cocaine is to lawyers as steroids are to bodybuilders.
And the highest alcoholism rates too!
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:03 PM   #694
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Anti-gay bigot religious leader to give invocation.

politcs, as usual

( I guess it is a good move )

Ugh is right.

Ugh

Rick Warren will give the invocation at Obama's inauguration. Warren is a man who believes my marriage removes his freedom of speech and cannot say that authorizing torture is a moral failing. Shrewd politics, but if anyone is under any illusion that Obama is interested in advancing gay equality, they should probably sober up now. He won't be as bad as the Clintons (who, among leading Democrats, could?), but pandering to Christianists at his inauguration is a depressing omen. More evidence that a civil rights movement needs to realize that no politician can deliver for us what we have to deliver on our own.
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I don't care for Rick Warren either and I've said so here before.

I also couldn't give two shits about the fact that Bono pals around with him.
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I was just hoping to enjoy the inauguration.

I guess I've never really watched one. I didn't know it required a sermon.
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I just think it's hilarious that you're setting up the law degree as some paragon of virtue. As if law students don't do drugs, don't cheat on exams, don't hand in plagiarized papers, don't apply for jobs with fake grades and degrees, etc?

If Obama is making a mockery of his law degree, then he's fitting right in with how things have always been. And I bet you anything that I still know more lawyers of his era than you do and I don't think he's unique among them either.

But I suppose it's nice that suddenly the law degree seems to imply some kind of special morality that the public has NEVER afforded the profession, LOL!
and therein lies one symptom of a sick society.

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. I didn't know it required a sermon.
Mitt was busy.



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Ugh is right.

Ugh

Rick Warren will give the invocation at Obama's inauguration. Warren is a man who believes my marriage removes his freedom of speech and cannot say that authorizing torture is a moral failing. Shrewd politics, but if anyone is under any illusion that Obama is interested in advancing gay equality, they should probably sober up now. He won't be as bad as the Clintons (who, among leading Democrats, could?), but pandering to Christianists at his inauguration is a depressing omen. More evidence that a civil rights movement needs to realize that no politician can deliver for us what we have to deliver on our own.
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i am displeased with this.

very displeased.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:32 AM   #700
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You people really, really crack me up.

Smoking is good now, all of a sudden?



no, silly.

it's just funny to see a POTUS smoking and looking "cool" for a camera.
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Old 12-18-2008, 11:12 AM   #701
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i am displeased with this.

very displeased.

This is from cnn.com:

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"The president-elect certainly disagrees with him on [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender] issues," Douglass said.
If you say so.
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Electoral-vote.com: President, Senate, House Updated Daily has an interesting analysis on this choice:
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Obama has chosen pastor Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inaugural. Liberal groups are already up in arms over this choice. It was a brilliant move on Obama's part. By reaching out to a relatively moderate evangelical who has focused on AIDS and world poverty and getting liberals to react angrily (because Warren is antichoice and antigay) Obama has accomplished two things. First, a lot of evangelicals will come to require Obama as not so bad after all, which will surely help him when he actually starts to govern. Second, by getting liberals visibly furious with him before he is even inaugurated, he will be much better able to defend himself against right-wing cries that he is a "liberal" (a pejorative in some circles). The move costs him no political capital at all. Warren gets a few minutes to speak on national TV. He's not going to use it to bash gays if he has any expectation of becoming the new Billy Graham. But later when Obama does controversial things--like pushing for some kind of national health insurance--he can claim to be balanced by saying: "I am a centrist, look, I let Warren speak and I support national health insurance, something for everyone." That is hardly an even trade but it will get him a lot of mileage in the media. Despite what some people may think, Obama is a very clever politician and fully understands that making small gestures to the right, however meaningless, generate good will he will need later. The incident brings to mind Richard Nixon's famous comment: "Watch what we do, not what we say."
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If you say so.


it's too bad that Obama may prove to be just like the Democratic Party and, of course, The Clintons, when it comes to understanding gays as people. he personally is probably for full marriage equality, but would never say so were it to cost him even a sliver of political capital. one thing we're going to learn is that Obama is very, very clever. lethal. he destroyed the Clintons, and then rebuilt them. who else could have done that?

of course, he could probably easily get a federal civil unions bill passed, and easily remove the military ban. so we'll see about that.

there's no question that the Warren pick is an olive branch to young evangelicals, and there's also no question that Warren is not a hateful, spiteful Dobson-type.

Warren has done good work on AIDS, for example.

granted, heterosexual AIDS. but, still, AIDS nonetheless.

it seems that Bono has made it cool for Christianists to care about blameless, heterosexual Africans (in amildly racist, patronizing way).

but no one seems to care about gay Americans with AIDS. because this is just retribution for their wicked lifestyle?
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there's also no question that Warren is not a hateful, spiteful Dobson-type.

Oh there's a lot of question. I don't think he's that much better than Dobson, based on everything I've heard from him (including likening gay marriage to incest, polygamy and child abuse), he could actually be worse. Nobody with a brain gives credence to Dobson; Warren on the other hand is treated with kid gloves which makes him all the more dangerous.

Totally backwards to include him and 150% wrong.
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Oh there's a lot of question. I don't think he's that much better than Dobson, based on everything I've heard from him (including likening gay marriage to incest, polygamy and child abuse).


we can agree that his views on gay people belong in the 13th century.

however, he doesn't seem to be as intentionally divisive as past Christianist evangelicals.
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