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Old 11-22-2008, 10:57 PM   #646
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"why are you guys picking on us, we're such a small group"
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PITY poor irony. Declared dead after 9/11, it staged a strong rally beneath a “Mission Accomplished” banner, only to find itself in mortal danger once again.

Its ill health was noted by, among others, no less an ironist than Joan Didion, the nation’s poet laureate of disillusion. The week after the election, in a talk at the New York Public Library, Ms. Didion lamented that the United States in the era of Barack Obama had become an “irony-free zone,” a vast Kool-Aid tank where “naïveté, translated into ‘hope,’ was now in” and where “innocence, even when it looked like ignorance, was now prized.”

Who’d want to live in a world like that?

But are ironic sensibilities like Ms. Didion’s — the detachment of mind, the appreciation of the folly of taking things at face value — really disappearing?

Not according to the conservative humorist P. J. O’Rourke, who reported from his New Hampshire office on Wednesday that he was finishing a piece for The Weekly Standard with the working title, “Is It Too Soon to Start Talking About the Failed Obama Presidency Just Because He Isn’t President Yet?”

Not according to the thin black novelist Colson Whitehead, who wrote an Op-Ed in The New York Times under the headline, “Finally, a Thin President.”

“Something bad happens, like 9/11, it’s the death of irony,” Mr. Whitehead said in an e-mail message on Thursday. “Something good happens, like Obama’s win, it’s the death of irony. When will someone proclaim the death of iceberg lettuce? I’m sick of it making my salads boring.”

To be sure, President-elect, you’re no 9/11. Back then, irony seemed, for a time, impossible. Nowadays, Ms. Didion said in her talk, which will be published Monday in The New York Review of Books, it is simply “not the preferred way” of viewing events.

Mr. O’Rourke, for his part, said that Mr. Change himself, with his choices of usual suspects and Beltway insiders to help him run the country, was proving no slouch in the irony department.

But Ms. Didion might be on to something. A Nexis search found that the incidence of the words “irony,” “ironic” and “ironically” in major American newspapers during the two-week period beginning Nov. 6 slipped 19 percent from the same period last year.

In New York, Ms. Didion’s home city, irony has been steadily disappearing from daily newspapers for a decade, the analysis found. In those same two-week November periods from 2000 to 2008, appearances of “irony” and its cognates tumbled 56 percent. Some of the drop seems to be because of the shrinking of newspapers, but a similar Nexis search with a control word, “went,” showed a drop of only 32 percent, leaving an irony gap of 24 percentage points.

The analysis may have its flaws. For one thing, the search algorithm also, ironically, picked up phrases like “end of irony.” More significantly, no self-respecting ironist actually uses the word “ironic,” except, perhaps, ironically.

Still, there is little doubt that these are challenging times for the professionally arch. Gilbert Gottfried, widely credited with being the first standup comic to tell a 9/11 joke (he complained 18 days after the attacks that he couldn’t get a direct flight to California because “they said they have to stop at the Empire State Building first”), noted that his gun-shy colleagues, afraid of spoiling the love fest or being accused of racism, “continue to do Sarah Palin insults, and that really struck me as odd.”

THE ONION, whose less-than-half-joking postelection headline read something like “Nation Finally Lousy Enough to Make Social Progress,” seems to be having trouble finding its bearings, too. Even a gentle, somewhat toothless Nov. 11 article, “International Con Man Barack Obama Leaves U.S. With $85 Million in Campaign Fund-Raising,” drew criticism on discussion boards for feeding into stereotypes about blacks, said The Onion’s editor, Joe Randazzo.

“After eight years of the Bush administration, where irony was almost a measure of desperation — maybe now that people have seen something happen they never thought possible, their sarcasm processors have kind of gone into shock,” he said.

Officials at “Saturday Night Live” declined to comment for this article. “We have been trying to avoid these ‘what now’ stories,” the show’s spokesman, Marc Liepis, said in an e-mail message.

Some sometime cynics bristled at the suggestion that they had gone soft or lost their edge. “To me, it’s a false choice to say we’re either going to be running our own little ‘Daily Show’ of the mind 24/7 or we’re going to be completely earnest,” said Kurt Andersen, the novelist, Spy magazine co-founder and author of a 3,500-word New York magazine mash note to the president-elect and the people who voted for him. “One can maintain one’s ironic armor and arsenal where one needs it.”

Roger Rosenblatt, the former Time columnist who wrote that Sept. 11 might at least “spell the end of the age of irony,” said that while irony had its place and time, this was not it.

“Irony,” Mr. Rosenblatt said, “is a diminishing act — the incongruity between what’s expected and what occurs makes us smile at the distance. But there are some events that occur, like 9/11, and perhaps Obama, though I didn’t think of him in this context, that are so big that they almost imply an obligation not to diminish it by clever comparisons.”

John H. McWhorter, the semiconservative black commentator and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, said that the orgy of self-congratulation he saw among whites was an understandable and even sort of defensible response to the expiation of white America’s sins that Mr. Obama’s ascendance enabled. “When you vote for Obama,” he said, “you are showing that you are past the nastiness, and that’s a natural feeling and a healthy feeling for white people to have.”

But it is at times like these, Ms. Didion seemed to argue, when a distanced perspective is needed most. (Not that she was willing to elaborate on her talk. “Basically,” she said on the phone Tuesday, “I don’t like to talk about anything I’ve written or that I’m writing. What you write down, there it is and you’ve done it.”)

Mr. Randazzo of The Onion promised that irony would make a speedy recovery. “This isn’t the end of history,” he said, invoking another famous wrong prediction. “We never know what will be the next dumb thing to satirize — that’s the beauty of the thing.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/fa...nk&oref=slogin

Judging by the ever growing Sarah Palin thread this is an interesting observation
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Mumbai Points to Top Obama Challenge
As President-Elect Assembles Natl. Security Team, South Asia Regional Issues at Fore
By JOHN HENDREN

Nov. 30, 2008

As President-elect Barack Obama prepares to introduce his national security team Monday, last week's massacre in Mumbai is already shaping the agenda.

"South Asia is going to be a focus for the Obama Administration," said Daniel Markey of the Council on Foreign Relations.

With almost two months before Obama takes office, a Who's Who of foreign policy thinkers are already crafting the Obama administration's strategy in a region that includes Afghanistan, India and the increasingly embattled Pakistan -- a nation many in India blame for the Mumbai attacks, as at least some of the attackers are said to have been Pakistani. There is not a shrinking violet in the bunch.

"There will not be a transition when it comes to keeping America safe and secure," Democratic strategist Donna Brazille told ABC News. "The terrorists will not wait."

As previously reported, Sen. Hillary Clinton, Obama's rival in the Democratic primary, is his choice for Secretary of State.

"Despite a lot of talk during the campaign about Afghanistan, really Pakistan is the central issue here. And we can see that because it sits very squarely between these problems in India and the problems we're already seeing in Afghanistan," Markey told ABC. "If I were Hillary Clinton, I'd have second thoughts. And if I were Barack Obama, I'd also wonder what exactly I had gotten myself into. This is going to be tremendously challenging for this new team."

Defense Secretary Robert Gates will be asked to remain at the Pentagon for at least another year. Eric Holder will be asked to return to the Justice Department as attorney general. Former NATO commander General Jim Jones -- who at a chiseled 6-foot-5 is a Marine straight out of central casting -- will be Obama's choice for National Security Adviser.

It is a roster of political heavy-hitters, assembled to instill confidence, under a president with a slim resume on foreign policy.

"You're looking at grownups. These are people who are tough and they're smart, and they know foreign policy," said Stuart Rothenberg, editor of The Rothenberg Political Report. "And the kind of a team that will make people who might be a little nervous about Barack Obama's lack of foreign policy experience, make those people much more comfortable."

Even before Mumbai, Obama sought to assure the nation, saying in an interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" program, "I think it's important to get a national security team in place because transition periods are potentially times of vulnerability to a terrorist attack."

The president elect is also expected to name Retired Admiral Dennis Blair as Director of National Intelligence, Susan Rice as ambassador to the United Nations, and Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano to head the Department of Homeland Security.

Obama's challenge in assembling such a high-profile team will be to ensure they are all pulling the administration's foreign policy agenda in the same direction.
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2008 elecction ends tomorrow.


will they score one for the Obama team or the Palin team?

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- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin implored Georgia Republicans to back Sen. Saxby Chambliss in his hotly contested Senate runoff, telling a cheering crowd Monday that the first step in rebuilding the GOP begins with the Southern state.

The former vice presidential candidate made her first campaign appearance since the Republican ticket of John McCain and Palin lost on Nov. 4. Palin's four stops for Chambliss underscored not only the stakes for the GOP in the Senate race but Palin's popularity within the party. She has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2012 — a fact not lost on some Georgia voters.

Several thousand supporters waited in the cold to file into the James Brown Arena in Augusta. Vendors sold bright pink "Palin 2012" T-shirts and "Palin for President: You Go Girl" buttons. She was greeted like a rock star with chants of "Sa-rah!"

"Georgia the eyes of America are upon you," the former vice presidential candidate said. "We all have Georgia on our minds."

Last month in the general election, Chambliss fell short of crossing the 50 percent threshold in a three-way race against Democrat Jim Martin and a Libertarian candidate, Allen Buckley, who drew 3.4 percent of the vote. The runoff between Chambliss and Martin will help determine the balance of power in Washington where Democrats are just two votes shy of the 60 votes needed to prevent Republican filibusters. Georgia is one of two undecided contests. A recount is under way in Minnesota in the tight race between Republican Sen. Norm Coleman and Democrat Al Franken.

Palin cast the Georgia runoff as the first step in rehabilitating the Republican Party, wounded by losses in November including the defeat of the McCain-Palin ticket.

"It takes rebuilding and I say let that begin here in Georgia tomorrow," Palin said.

She highlighted Chambliss' support for gun rights as well his opposition to abortion and tax hikes.

"We must send Saxby back to the United States Senate," she said.

Palin said she has a soft spot for Georgia where her eldest son, Track, trained at Fort Benning before deploying to Iraq.

"You took good care of my son," Palin said.

Martin is touring the state Monday with prominent Georgia Democrats, including Rep. John Lewis of Atlanta. He'll cap the day with a state Capitol rally with the Atlanta hip hop artist Ludacris.

Rep. Jack Kingston, R-Ga., warmed up a crowd of about 2,000 at Palin and Chambliss' second stop in Savannah by taking a dig at Martin for campaigning with a rapper who has written some raunchy lyrics. "Would you play that for your momma?" Kingston said of Ludacris' music.

"I think Jim Martin should be with Ludacris," Kingston said. "It would be ludicrous to vote for Jim Martin."

Martin had asked President-elect Barack Obama to campaign with him. Obama recorded a radio ad and automated phone calls for Martin but did not campaign in the state. Some 100 Obama field operatives traveled to the state to help with turnout.
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“We don’t know yet what position she’ll have,” he said. “But I think she’s a very strong candidate for a position.”

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Published On 11/30/2008 8:42:53 PM

By ESTHER I. YI

She called Senator Hillary Clinton a “monster” last March, and it cost her her position in President-elect Barack Obama’s campaign.

Now, it seems, Harvard Kennedy School Professor Samantha Power has been invited back into the fold—she’s reviewing the State Department, which Clinton is expected to lead, for Obama’s transition team.

Since mid-November, Obama’s transition Web site has listed Power among the officials selected by the president-elect’s office to review national security agencies.

As one of the fourteen foreign policy experts who will focus on the State Department, Power will help the incoming administration prepare for Clinton’s nomination as secretary of state, expected to be announced today.

And Power’s return to Washington may foreshadow a possible government appointment.

A rumor that Power may take on the role of an official or advisor in Obama’s administration is making its rounds at the Kennedy School, said Leonardo Vivas, a fellow at Harvard’s Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, which Power founded.

“We don’t know yet what position she’ll have,” he said. “But I think she’s a very strong candidate for a position.”

I hope Obama puts her to good use.
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will they score one for the Obama team or the Palin team?
Score a big win for the Palin GOP team.

Most likely this is a preview of 2010 Congressional elections.


I believe the Dems have peaked with W's gross unpopularity.

Look for moderate GOP gains in 2010.
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Look for moderate GOP gains in 2010.
That depends largely on how the next two years go.
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He said he would have said the same thing about a man

Wednesday, Dec. 03, 2008
Rendell: Napolitano perfect due to 'no family'
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HARRISBURG, Pa. — Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell was picked up on an open microphone explaining why Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano is a good choice for Homeland Security secretary: The job requires someone who has "no life," and Napolitano is perfect because she "has no family"

Rendell made the comment Tuesday at a meeting of the National Governors Association in Philadelphia that featured President-elect Barack Obama.

Rendell said Napolitano is "perfect for that job. Because for that job, you have to have no life. Janet has no family. Perfect. She can devote, literally, 19-20 hours a day to it."

Napolitano, a second-term governor, former state attorney general and former U.S. attorney, has never been married and has no children.

Napolitano's spokeswoman, Jeanine L'Ecuyer, said the Arizona governor described Rendell as a good friend and had little to say about his remarks.

"She said she really appreciates Gov. Rendell's confidence in her and the confidence of the president-elect," L'Ecuyer said.

L'Ecuyer deflected questions about whether the comment could be construed as sexist.

"There's a lot of people weighing in on that. We'll leave it to you guys to do that," she said.

At a news conference in Harrisburg, Rendell said former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, who became the first Homeland Security secretary under President George W. Bush, "told me you have to live that job every minute."

"I think it's clear, to do that job you have to be ready to work 24-7," Rendell said. "You can't have another job, you can't have an avocation you're addicted to like golf or anything like that."

He said he "didn't mean it the wrong way" and called Napolitano "one of the best governors in the country."

"If anybody out there was offended, I apologize," Rendell said. "But you could say the exact same thing to me, about me." Rendell is married to a federal judge and they have an adult son.

Rendell press secretary Chuck Ardo said he did not know with whom Rendell was speaking at the time.

In a similar incident nearly four years ago, a leading Arizona state senator apologized to Napolitano after making light of her status as a lawyer and person without a family.

Senate President Ken Bennett was critical of Napolitano's positions regarding lawsuit reform and family values.

"She's a lawyer, and she doesn't have a family," Bennett said at the time. He later called the governor to apologize.
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