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Old 11-13-2008, 04:50 PM   #511
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:01 PM   #512
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A conversation with Bill Ayers on election day. I do feel, and always have felt sorry for the dude through all of this.


Online Only: The New Yorker

Mr. Ayers’s Neighborhood



Early this morning, the Obama family voted at the Beulah Shoesmith Elementary School, in Hyde Park. Long after they had gone, the lawn in front of the school was filled with reporters, mostly Europeans, filming voters. While I was talking to an eight-year-old kid dressed as George Washington, my colleague Peter Slevin, of the Washington Post was across the street, knocking on the door of someone else who had voted at the Shoesmith School this morning: William Ayers.

Ayers has avoided reporters ever since he became an election talking point, scratch pole, and general sensation. But now he answered the door of his three-story row house, and I joined the discussion. Ayers is sixty-four and has earrings in both ears. He wore jeans and a Riley T-shirt—Riley the kid from “Boondocks.” The day was fall-bright and 50th Street was filled with fallen gold leaves. Ayers waved to neighbors and kids as they went by on the sidewalk. He was, for the first time in a long while, in an expansive mood, making clear that, in all the months his name has been at the forefront of the campaign, he and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn—ex-leaders of the Weather Underground and longtime educators and activists in the community—have been watching a lot of cable television, not least Fox.

“No one read it when it was first issued!” He said that he laughed, too, when he listened to Sarah Palin’s descriptions of Obama “palling around with terrorists.” In fact, Ayers said that he knew Obama only slightly: “I think my relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago and, like millions and millions of others, I wished I knew him better.”







Ayers said he felt “a lot of sympathy” for the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, “who was treated grotesquely and unfairly” by the media. He said that Martin Luther King Jr. was, in his time, far more radical than Wright: “Wright’s a wimp compared to Martin Luther King—he had a fiercer tone.”

Ayers was referring to the speeches King gave late in his life in opposition to the Vietnam War and on the subject of economic equality. “Martin Luther King was not a saint,” Ayers said. “He was an angry pilgrim.”



Across the street, neighborhood kids chanted “O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma!” and “Yes we can!” for the cameras. Ayers smiled, looking a little like a more boomer Fred MacMurray in an episode of “My Three Sons.”

“I wish I had done more, but it doesn’t mean I wish we’d bombed more shit.”

“While we did claim several extreme acts, they were acts of extreme radicalism against property,” he said. “We killed no one and hurt no one.

Three of our people killed themselves.” And yet he was not without regrets. He mocked one of his earlier books, co-written with Dohrn, saying that, while it still is reflective of his radical and activist politics today, he was guilty of “rhetoric that’s juvenile and inflated—it is what it is.”

“I wish I had been wiser,” Ayers said. “I wish I had been more effective, I wish I’d been more unifying, I wish I’d been more principled.”

Ayers said that his life hasn’t been much altered by recent months, though he decided to postpone the re-release of his memoir, “Fugitive Days”—“I didn’t want it to be put in the meat grinder of this moment.” Two books he co-edited will also be republished soon: “City Kids, City Schools” and “City Kids, City Teachers.”

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Martin Luther King and Jerimiah Wright are not similar in any way.

Ayers and his wife did kill people: people died because of their activities.
He's an unrepentant doper/terrorist. They bombed the Pentagon.


Said his wife and co colaborator of the Manson-Sharon Tate murder:

'Cool. After they kiled them, they stuck forks in their bellies. WILD"

(something to that effect.)

If Obama and Ayers didn't know eachother why did Obama blurb Ayers' book?:

The Blog @ Spolitics � Obama Blurbed Ayers’s Book

I'm sick of the lies.

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Dopers are terrorists now?
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if you cannot deduce that ayers likes rope, i can't help you.

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Old 11-13-2008, 08:11 PM   #516
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Why isn't Barrack attending his Grandma's funeral?

After all this is the lady that raised him.

Usmagazine.com | News - Public Memorial Set for Barack Obama's Beloved Grandmother

Something feels odd here.

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He's an unrepentant doper/terrorist.
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So liking the wacky tobacky is on par with being a terrorist? Why the hell would you put those two terms together?

.... wait, why am I asking diamond anything? Have I forgotten there's no point? Hmm. I must flee and ponder this.

Pass me that joint, will you?
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I'll bring the mushrooms.
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diamond, you're sick.
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He might, but what does that have to do with him being a terrorist? You do realize that there are millions and millions of pot smokers in this country who don't bomb buildings and plenty of people who bomb buildings who have never touched marijuana, right? They aren't related in the least bit.
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Something feels odd here.
Put both hands back on the wheel, then.
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:24 PM   #522
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He might, but what does that have to do with him being a terrorist? You do realize that there are millions and millions of pot smokers in this country who don't bomb buildings and plenty of people who bomb buildings who have never touched marijuana, right? They aren't related in the least bit.
There is an inverse correlation as the devoutly religious terrorists are less likely to take drugs.

This could be useful though we can have mandatory alcohol on all flights for security and a bacon sandwich
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There is an inverse correlation as the devoutly religious terrorists are less likely to take drugs.

This could be useful though we can have mandatory alcohol on all flights for security and a bacon sandwich
Alright, I phrased that poorly then. What I meant to say is that smoking marijuana doesn't automatically make you a terrorist.
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It automatically make you a criminal, because of ignorance and prejudice from a block of anti-freedom voters.
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It automatically make you a criminal, because of ignorance and prejudice from a block of anti-freedom voters.
Oh, trust me, I know. I suppose a conversation about drug laws is for another thread though...all I have to say is thank goodness that I at least live in a state that has possession under a little over an ounce decriminalized.
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