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Old 11-08-2008, 09:36 AM   #466
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I didn't care for the Nancy Reagan remark either, and I'm glad he apologized. As for the Hillary part, he likely didn't know she did it too. I mean, how many people have really read Hillary's book? Heck, I'd totally forgotten about all that stuff with Nancy myself.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:00 AM   #467
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There's a significant minority of white gay men who are fiscally and even to some degree socially conservative...perhaps compared to '04, that bloc perceived fewer potential adverse consequences for gay rights in voting Republican this time around. That's just speculation, but I'd think it'd have to be something like that to explain that significant a shift in an election where virtually every other demographic shifted in the opposite direction.

Depressing for many Southern progressives, heartening for Democrats everywhere else.
Or, alternatively, some gay white men are racists?
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:02 AM   #468
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Tom Brokaw admitted that Obama was given a pass by the MSM and that we know little about him:

YouTube - Brokaw and Rose Admit They Don't Know Much About Obama.

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I think that this is an interesting point.

He's a cypher to me, I know very little about him. I didn't think I was the only one.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:56 AM   #469
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Yeah, so? A lot of times you don't have your facts straight either, and I don't hear apologies from you.

Therefore, 0 for 2,000 at posting.

My point stands.
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Small difference to you, maybe. I look at it as being an issue of human decency and politeness. Obama's decent and polite. Others...not so much.

QFT


BTW, did you even give a gracious "congratulations" to the new president elect at all? a la E. Hasselback?

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Old 11-08-2008, 11:17 AM   #470
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I wish we knew more about Obama too. I mean, all we have is information from his 2 autobiographies, his campaign website, his Senate voting records, and the the endless and extensive coverage of him we've heard on the news for the past 2 years.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:38 AM   #471
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a. I didn't know about the Hillary/dead first ladies thing. Must not have been as big a story as Nancy Reagan's astrologist thing was back in the day.

b. While yes, it's not a good move to make cracks about former presidents or their wives just after you've become the president elect, you can't expect to consult astrologists in the White House and not be ridiculed for it, even 20 years later.

c. But it was nice that Obama called her to apologize personally.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:48 AM   #472
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I honestly didn't see anything offensive at all about the Nancy Reagan remark. And I'd say that even if it was John McCain up there yesterday who had said it as President Elect. It clearly wasn't meant in a derisive fashion.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:54 AM   #473
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Ditto. He shouldn't have had to apologize, but nice that he did anyway.
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Old 11-08-2008, 12:19 PM   #474
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Ditto. He shouldn't have had to apologize, but nice that he did anyway.
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Old 11-08-2008, 12:41 PM   #475
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I must say that my high school curriculum was rather vigorous, and to be forced to volunteer for something that seems unimportant and even irrelevant to you isn't a good way of instilling the value of service. Instead, it just seems as though its the adults' way of getting someone to do something they don't want to do and for free.

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Old 11-08-2008, 12:49 PM   #476
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he's 0 for 1 at press conferences.

that it was politically expedient he apologized-good for him.

the larger point is that Hillary was the one talking to dead polictical figures, while Nancy only consulted Astologists.

the guy doesn't have his facts straight.

therefore 0 for 1 at press conferences.

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well, the bbc seemed to think differently. BBC NEWS | Americas | US Elections 2008 | Obama makes an impressive debut

i suppose this is liberal bias once again.
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Old 11-08-2008, 01:17 PM   #477
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well, the bbc seemed to think differently. BBC NEWS | Americas | US Elections 2008 | Obama makes an impressive debut

i suppose this is liberal bias once again.
Plus, BBC are foreigners, so who gives a shit. Right?


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Old 11-08-2008, 03:25 PM   #478
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Or, alternatively, some gay white men are racists?


you know what?

yes! there are some racist gays!

are we not to stop and consider that McCain's strongest supporters, and the GOP's strongest supporters, are white men.

and you know what else?

some gay people are also white, and are also men.

amazing, huh?
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^You just blew my mind.
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Old 11-08-2008, 04:48 PM   #480
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you know what?

yes! there are some racist gays!

You mean....


gay people are PEOPLE!??

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