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Old 11-07-2008, 03:29 PM   #436
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I was very impressed with Obama's first news conference. This is what a president should look like: intelligent, calm, and forthcoming.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:22 PM   #437
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Can we all agree that when Diamond posts things like "Obama's getting a pass because the media didn't investigate his birth certificate," we should just collectively ignore him?
I have him on ignore, but it's kinda like the crazy guy who stands on street corners yelling crazy shit to nobody in particular...you kinda have to watch and listen out of sick curiosity.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:30 PM   #438
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I have him on ignore, but it's kinda like the crazy guy who stands on street corners yelling crazy shit to nobody in particular...you kinda have to watch and listen out of sick curiosity.



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Old 11-07-2008, 05:58 PM   #439
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the fact that a person of color, especially of african descent, could be elected leader of a majority white country, is a stunning achievement when one considers that, as history goes, colonialism and slavery are fairly recent events.

that's why it's a game changer. that's why the election of Obama changes the world. it shifts a centuries old racially based power structure.

he could turn out to be a crap president. absolutely. but, given history, the fact that he was elected at all is a stunning reminder that we are in the future, and that progress has been made.
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He is evidence of the incremental progress that has been made over many decades, America today isn't very different than America a month ago, it isn't a changed country.
i have to agree with awanderer here. the racial power structure is no different today than it was 3 or 4 days ago. that's not to say that having an african american president isn't a great thing - it is - but the ghettos aren't going to disappear any time soon.
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:26 PM   #440
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the fact that a person of color, especially of african descent, could be elected leader of a majority white country, is a stunning achievement when one considers that, as history goes, colonialism and slavery are fairly recent events.

that's why it's a game changer. that's why the election of Obama changes the world. it shifts a centuries old racially based power structure.

he could turn out to be a crap president. absolutely. but, given history, the fact that he was elected at all is a stunning reminder that we are in the future, and that progress has been made.
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He is evidence of the incremental progress that has been made over many decades, America today isn't very different than America a month ago, it isn't a changed country.
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i have to agree with awanderer here. the racial power structure is no different today than it was 3 or 4 days ago. that's not to say that having an african american president isn't a great thing - it is - but the ghettos aren't going to disappear any time soon.
And I will choose to agree with Irvine's more optimistic, less killjoy-ish point of view.
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:29 PM   #441
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And I will choose to agree with Irvine's more optimistic, less killjoy-ish point of view.
i would be happy to be proven wrong.

time will tell.
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:34 PM   #442
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And I will choose to agree with Irvine's more optimistic, less killjoy-ish point of view.
Don't confuse pessimism, or "killjoy-ism", for realism. Obama getting elected is a good thing to be sure, but get a little perspective: if life for African-Americans at the micro level will improve as a result of this election it will do so over time, and not happen overnight.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:50 PM   #443
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I think I'm caught up now :whew: I saw VintagePunk's links to Newsweek articles, and haven't been back since. I don't know if the last two parts have been posted yet. I just got through the first five. Interesting reading.

Loved the video Jeannie posted a few pages back


Got this from a friend. I will look more closely at it over the weekend. I'm just trying to get caught up with a ton of things at the moment....


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I'm having way too much fun at the LOLObama LiveJournal community...
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With the emphasis on national service and the supposed targets of having the involvement of every teenager will Obama become the president that reinstated a form of slavery?
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:19 PM   #446
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With the emphasis on national service and the supposed targets of having the involvement of every teenager will Obama become the president that reinstated a form of slavery?
Way to overreact!

Care to post anything that justifies your comments?
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:19 PM   #447
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With the emphasis on national service and the supposed targets of having the involvement of every teenager will Obama become the president that reinstated a form of slavery?
No. Many schools force students to perform x number of hours of volunteerism before they can graduate from high school.

Yes, I noticed the irony even then when I was forced.
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No. Many schools force students to perform x number of hours of volunteerism before they can graduate from high school.

Yes, I noticed the irony even then when I was forced.
Nice post Melon. I am trying to get high school students in the honor society to run literature circles in my school.
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:59 PM   #449
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With the emphasis on national service and the supposed targets of having the involvement of every teenager will Obama become the president that reinstated a form of slavery?
I thought it was more along the lines of national service in exchange for college tuition.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:00 PM   #450
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Nice post Melon. I am trying to get high school students in the honor society to run literature circles in my school.
I must say that my high school curriculum was rather vigorous, and to be forced to volunteer for something that seems unimportant and even irrelevant to you isn't a good way of instilling the value of service. Instead, it just seems as though its the adults' way of getting someone to do something they don't want to do and for free.

It's been ten years since high school, and I've been working my ass off non-stop ever since then. My student loan debt and the long hours between juggling work and school in the beginning and the long hours demanded of media work presently have given me no time to do menial work for free.

What I am hoping is that, someday, I'll get a job where I'm treated and paid like an adult, and I'm hoping I'll be given the luxury of considering free work in the future. Actually, the former might not be too far off, actually, as I've just gotten a new-and-improved job in Toronto. I'm really curious if I'll have to work long hours again, though.
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