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Old 11-05-2008, 06:19 PM   #256
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I thought he won it with some dimpled and hanging chads and a woman named Katherine Harris
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:19 PM   #258
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:20 PM   #259
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they've made it very clear that they will insinuate that gay people are child molesters in order to pass discriminatory legislation.

they have no argument. that's been demonstrated in here over and over again as i, and countless others in these threads, have and will continue to demolish their arguments.

i don't care if i'm coming off like an a-hole. i will not be presented as a threat to families, children, society, etc.

i will not.



You are not coming off as an asshole......... this is the type of abhorrent, venomous LIES that have been perpetuated for a long time, to keep your right rights away.


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this is a single piece in a puzzle, whereas the cultural divide in the Baby Boom generation seems much more all-encompassing, and came to a cultural head in the 2000 election where we saw for the first time a real red/blue divide.
Obama rewrote the map.
Well, there IS still a serious divide from the most staunch quarters from those who believe
1) that their version of Christianity IS THE way, let alone any other relegion or Aetheists;
2) that "The Other" (be "they" of color, G/L/B/TG, who want to treat women like "broodmares" (the health of an unborn child over the fully living life of a woman,
3) those who are HORRIFIED by strong & smart women (whichever race ) and still want to take away the Vote from women and people of color........
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:21 PM   #260
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further, John McCain was the most popular politician in the country in 2004. he was even offered Kerry's VP slot. he's as non-Republican as Republicans get, and he spent his entire campaign distinguishing himself from Bush.

and yet, he was still trounced by someone relatively brand new.

we now see that John McCain is nothing more than a vicious, hollow, ugly, paranoid, vapid, cynical politician who's entire post Keating 5 political career has been a carefully managed media creation.

its sad, but the Myth of John McCain the Maverick has been put to bed.

along with the GOP.

Obama absolutely crushed with the youth vote -- 66 to 32%!!!!!!! and if the GOP continues to be a party that caters to religious fanatics and Dixieland racists, it has no future at all. as states like VA, NC, GA and the entire southwest continue to diversify and as college educated young people continue to move to these states, they will become bluer and bluer and bluer. had McCain not been from AZ, it, too, would have been a major swing state.

the future is bleak, Republicans.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:27 PM   #261
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we now see that John McCain is nothing more than a vicious, hollow, ugly, paranoid, vapid, cynical politician who's entire post Keating 5 political career has been a carefully managed media creation.
Only a tiny ignorant minority segment of America actually thinks about John McCain that way.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:30 PM   #262
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Then you should probably start saying what you really mean rather than post stuff like this:

And what would be wrong with being liked by Medvedev or Chavez? Does that automatically make Obama evil if they are liked by someone you consider evil? What kind of logic is that? I'd much rather my president be liked by these men rather than hated, because it's much easier to not talk and throw bombs at someone you hate. I guess that's something the right doesn't understand.
Yep. Different worldviews. That's for sure.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:33 PM   #263
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So I guess those 'bullheaded white women' (angry bitter Hillary supporters) took the horns out of their heads..

Women's support proves key

Female voters heavily favor Obama, helping propel historic victory
By JoNel Aleccia
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updated 12:15 a.m. ET, Wed., Nov. 5, 2008

For the first time in at least two election cycles, Mary Gockowski voted for a Democrat Tuesday, surprising herself and joining the ranks of women who switched their allegiance from 2004.

The 52-year-old Ohio preschool worker was among women in key battleground states to support Sen. Barack Obama over Sen. John McCain, helping push Obama over the top for his historic victory.

The margin was narrow but telling in hard-fought Ohio, where 54 percent of women chose Obama, compared with 53 percent in 2004, when President Bush won a narrow victory in the state over Sen. John Kerry.

In Pennsylvania, another crucial state where McCain had pinned his hopes, 60 percent of women opted for Obama, compared with 54 percent who went for Kerry in 2004. In New Hampshire, exit polls suggested that 63 percent of women supported Obama, compared with 54 percent who supported Kerry four years ago.

Women voters typically are crucial to a Democratic presidential victory, and Obama was pulling 55 percent of their votes, compared with 43 percent for McCain, according to exit polls. Obama and McCain were nearly even among male voters, who split 49-49 percent.

Although Gockowski voted twice for President Bush, she said a single crucial decision diverted her from McCain.

"I do like Barack Obama, but Sarah Palin was the nail in the coffin," she said. "I objected to (McCain's) judgment and to the idea that, 'Here, we'll give another female to the women of American because they might be dumb enough to vote for a female because of her sex.'"

She wasn't alone. Four in 10 voters overall said Palin was an important factor in deciding whom to vote for.

The Alaskan governor and vice presidential nominee figured large in a presidential campaign that featured historic firsts for female candidates. Across the country, women swamped polling stations Tuesday, drawn to a race that guaranteed change through either race or gender.

Women voters outnumbered men nationally by about 53-47 percent, according to exit polls. Women make up not only more of the general population, but also more of adult voters, historic census figures show.

'Women decided this election'

“He just captured me,” said Letitia Hughes, 42, an African-American mother of three from Fishers, Ind., a battleground state.

While some 95 percent of African-American men and 96 percent of women voted for Obama, according to exit polls, white voters generally favored McCain. But 46 percent of white women voted for Obama, according to exit polls, compared with only 41 percent of white men.

"If men split evenly between Obama and McCain, then women decided this election," said Debbie Walsh, director of the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University.

Monique Craig, a 40-year-old white administrative assistant from Boca Raton, Fla., was among those who landed in the McCain camp.

“I support (McCain) because I’m afraid if Obama gets elected we’re going to go to a more socialistic government,” said Craig. “I don’t feel like he’s strong enough to run the country with any kind of terrorist attack.”

Craig, who supported Mitt Romney in the primaries, said she liked McCain’s choice of Palin as his running mate, but thought a different woman might have improved his chances.

“My daughters and I loved Sarah Palin, but I would have been happier with (Secretary of State) Condoleezza Rice,” she said.

Analysts expected Tuesday’s crowds to include record numbers of single women voters, who could help fuel a “marriage gap” that could be more significant than a gender gap, or the difference between how men and women support the same candidate. The Women’s Voices. Women Vote Action Fund registered 900,000 new unmarried female voters, according to Page Gardner, the advocacy agency’s president.

“There’s something about being on your own as a woman in this country that is politically significant,” Gardner said. "Unmarried women are at the razor's edge of the economic crisis."

The gap between Obama and McCain was closer among married women. Those with children supported Obama 53 percent to 45 percent for McCain, exit polls showed. Those without children favored McCain 54 percent to 44 percent.

70 percent of single women choose Obama

But at least 70 percent of unmarried women with and without children supported Obama, a margin of more than 2-to-1. By contrast, 53 percent of unmarried women opted for Kerry in 2004, said Anna Greenberg, a Democratic pollster and vice president of the research firm Greenberg, Quinlan Rosner.

“I just really wanted change,” said Jen Dudley, 22, who is unmarried and works as an accountant at a small business in Richmond, Va. She waited an hour and 40 minutes to cast her vote in the battleground state.

What does she hope an Obama victory will change?

“Everything, I hope,” said Dudley.
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the above proves that, by picking Palin, 55% of women agree that McCain proved he is nothing more than a vicious, hollow, ugly, paranoid, vapid, cynical politician who's entire post Keating 5 political career has been a carefully managed media creation.
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Obama absolutely crushed with the youth vote -- 66 to 32%!!!!!!! .
Yes, Obama did best with the "young and dumb" vote. As age increases, Obama's level of support decreases.

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it has no future at all. as states like VA, NC, GA and the entire southwest continue to diversify and as college educated young people continue to move to these states, they will become bluer and bluer and bluer

Which states will increase in electoral value by 2012, red states like Texas and Georgia. What states will decrease in electoral value by 2012, blue states like New York and Pennsylvania.


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the future is bleak, Republicans.
Guess which party will be increasing the number of seats it has in congress in 2010?

Guess which party will be blamed for anything the public does not like over the next four years?

The Democrats certainly have an opportunity, but if their not careful, they could easily blow it. Its still a center right country.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:42 PM   #266
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Yes, Obama did best with the "young and dumb" vote.
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Yes, Obama did best with the "young and dumb" vote.
Are you going to back that assinine statement with a bunch of numbers and percentages, or what?
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don't worry, the "old and hateful and easily frightened" vote will start to die off soon.

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the above proves that, by picking Palin, 55% of women agree that McCain proved he is nothing more than a vicious, hollow, ugly, paranoid, vapid, cynical politician who's entire post Keating 5 political career has been a carefully managed media creation.
Obama is the first candidate to win the Presidency without winning the white vote since Clinton did in 1992. McCain also won the majority of those age 45 and over, as well as the majority of white college educated demographic.
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I find these 'Our party will now govern for decades. Your party will be consigned to the dustbin of history' assumptions, from both sides, utterly pointless, history generally proves them wrong.

All we know is that currently the country favours a Democratic governance.

Strongbow, I remember a few years ago you were talking about the Republicans being the natural party of the Presidency but (and I realise arithmetic is not your strong point) I did the math and, over, roughly speaking, a 30-40 year horizon, it's actually more or less even stevens between time in office for Democrat and Repub presidents.
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