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Old 11-05-2008, 05:23 PM   #226
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Not by your definition, of course. But we don't all work from your definition.


for a non-incumbent, for a black man to win Virginia and likely North Carolina, to turn bluer states blue and turn red states more purple, for a man with a muslim name, for the democratic gains in the house and the senate, for a candidate running in what is still a very polarized country, yes, this was indeed a TSUNAMI.

the voters rejected John McCain and George W. Bush and the entire past 8 years. it has been a clear, decisive rebuke of the GOP, and especially Bush, and especially Iraq, who have been shattered as a party by Barack Obama.

don't let anyone fool you into thinking it was only about the stock market. it was about how each man *handled* the crisis, and how Obama destroyed John McCain in all three debates, and the foolish pick of Sarah Palin, easily the least prepared candidate on a ticket in modern political history. McCain disqualified himself with that single action, and this man who so many worshiped as some sort of apolitical masculine military ideal was revealed to be nothing more than a partisian political hack.

the GOP has been thoroughly trounced, embarrassed, and defeated. the monsters who have been in charge since 1994 have been vanquished.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:24 PM   #227
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Bush didn't win by 6% of the popular vote, nor did he have such a convincing electoral vote victory. Nor did he flip states that hadn't gone Republican in years.


in over a generation!!!

TSUNAMI!
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:26 PM   #228
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Good question...

I think I may have some sort of compulsive disorder, I don't mind differing opinions but I have to correct complete distortion of facts.


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Old 11-05-2008, 05:27 PM   #229
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Obama rewrote the map.
The Financial crises helped Obama move the blue area's of the country a little more to the south. Again, just 850,000 votes in few key formally red states going the other way would have given McCain the victory.

New York and Pennsylvania will not have as many electoral votes in 2012 while Texas and Georgia will have more. If Barack Obama and the Democrats fail to satisfy the country enough over the next four years, he will be out in 2012 as will many Democrats in congress.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:27 PM   #230
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This one still has me biting my nails...being where I'm from and all. I'm just so frustrated with the third-party candidate at this point. It won't be settled for days, at the very least though.



we finger's crossed..go AL!

Your previous post/lection night experience was great! How moving!

on the reverse-
I was at a Crosby, Stills ,NAs & Young concert the night Nixon resigned! omg...everyone had radios, and I think it was Neil who made the announcemnt!
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:32 PM   #231
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Bush didn't win by 6% of the popular vote, nor did he have such a convincing electoral vote victory. Nor did he flip a significant number of states that hadn't gone Republican in years.
Bush got 50.7% of the popular vote. Obama got 52% of the popular vote based on the current count. How is that significantly different?
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:34 PM   #232
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My good friend just called me and said that she had not felt this way since she was a high school student and JFK was elected. I can only say, it makes me wish even more that I was older to feel what it was like to be around with JFK, RFK, MLK.....

I am happy for America and the world today.
I was a little too young to get a lot of what JFK was about, but at 10 when he was assassinated, and i more or less took my cues from the adults (school & Family) around me, though I do have memories of the MEGA of the Cuban Missile Crisis . Being the precocious child intellectually & scientifically that I was I did understand we'd all go "blooey".

But by time I was 15 I was aware even more socio-cultural-politically, and 1968 was one of those times when you felt like The USA/ World had spilt in 2 --
one where Dr King & Bobby had lived, and where we were/are where they had not. Amazing people thy were!


ah!!! AIR AM producer just played "Beautiful Day" :happysigh:
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Bush got 50.7% of the popular vote. Obama got 52% of the popular vote based on the current count. How is that significantly different?
Ah yes, time to start spinning the figures instead of comparing them to the relevant numbers, ie, the gap between their percentage and their opponents' percentages.

Gore actually beat Bush in the popular vote
Kerry trailed by ~2.5%
McCain trailed by 6% - well over twice the gap that Bush enjoyed over Kerry.

If I beat you in basketball by 25 points, that's a sound victory. If you beat me by 60, well then, that's a tsunami.
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So who here claimed that Bush won a TSUNAMI like victory in 2000 and 2004?
Each person's use of a word could mean something different, but I do recall many times how you would forcefully remind all of us that Bush was the first person to gain a majority of the popular vote since the 80's four years ago. You would sometimes use CAPS and exclamation points to drive your posts home.

So in some people's minds, it would have come across that it was a TSUNAMI-like victory in your eyes.

Just sayin'.
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i guess Sarah Silverman's schleping really did work
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If this thread descends into a free-for-all about what precisely constitutes the criteria for an 'electoral tsunami,' I'm gonna start knocking heads. Starting with my own against the monitor.
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BVS, there is help out there my friend if you need it.. "I'm here for ya man" *holds BVS' hand*
Thanks, sometimes that's all you need to hear...


The scary thing is, there was some truth to that... In "real" life I hardly discuss politics I'm pretty even headed and just laugh it off, except only in certain circles, but if I hear something like that I just find myself talking engaging before I even know it.

My dad said something about Obama being Muslim early in the elections, and I cut him off abruptly and told him he's wrong and ignorant of the facts, etc... something I never do to my father. But then I found him correcting people a few weeks later, not as passionate as me, but still...

He still voted McCain.
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"It was an American election and a worldwide choice.I don’t recall any other election that practically all of humanity was following with hope and concern."
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