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Old 11-05-2008, 04:40 PM   #196
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I can't recall such a celebration of a presidential elect. Last night was truly memorable.
It was truly amazing, and memorable.

I am just glad that I was able to watch history in the making.
Regardless of how you feel about Jesse Jackson or Oprah, I was touched by their emotions.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:42 PM   #197
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No excuses, he has to produce, and it's not going to be easy considering what Dubya is leaving him.

We'll see. He is a politician. I voted for him, but there really wasn't a better choice.

I kind of wonder if the people who are screaming and crying and yelling are doing it just cause they got their guy elected...or they truly feel there is change coming.

I have a feeling HRC would have gotten a similar reaction.
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There wasn't as much celebrating here. After the Phillies win, we don't care as much.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:46 PM   #199
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What the left doesn't get is that the rest of the world won't like the U.S. anyways and they want the U.S. superpower status to diminish out of envy.
This is just flat out false, a lie that Hannity and Rush have sold you. And polling around the world shows Obama is liked very much so far.


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I know, conservative generalizations aren't popular here. I should use some Democrat ones. "Yes we did!"
It has nothing to do with "conservative" generalizations, generalizations in general suck and are useless in discussions. They're just watered down stereotypes. And you may want to look up the word "generalizations", because you aren't using it correctly.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:48 PM   #200
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i am thrilled by a decisive Obama TSUNAMI.
Well, there is still some counting going since not all the votes have been counted yet, especially the absentee ballots. But, it looks like Obama may have won by a 6 percentage point margin 52% to 46%. Thats not a TSUNAMI by any stretch of the imagination. The average US presidential election victory is won with a margin of 9.7 percentage points. You have to win by at least 15 percentage points to even be thinking "TSUNAMI".

If the current margin holds up, here is how the 2008 election ranks among the other elections in history in terms of the margin of victory for the winner:

1. 1920 Harding 60.32% Cox 34.15% +26.19%
2. 1924 Coolidge 54.04% Davis 28.82% +25.22%
3. 1936 Roosevelt 60.80% Landon 36.54% +24.26%
4. 1972 Nixon 60.67% McGovern 37.52% +23.15%
5. 1964 Johnson 61.05% Goldwater 38.47% +22.58%
6. 1904 Roosevelt 56.42% Parker 37.59% +18.83%
7. 1984 Reagan 58.77% Mondale 40.56% +18.21%
8. 1832 Jackson 54.74% Clay 36.93% +17.81%
9. 1932 Roosevelt 57.41% Hoover 39.65% +17.76%
10. 1928 Hoover 58.21% Smith 40.80% +17.41%
11. 1956 Eisenhower 57.37% Stevenson 41.97% +15.4%
12. 1912 Wilson 41.84% Roosevelt 27.40% +14.44%
13. 1836 Van Buren 50.79% Harrison 36.59% +14.2%
14. 1828 Jackson 55.93% Adams 43.68% +12.25%
15. 1856 Buchanan 45.29% Fremont 33.09% +12.2%
16. 1872 Grant 55.58% Greeley 43.78% +11.8%
17. 1952 Eisenhower 55.18% Stevenson 44.33% +10.85%
18. 1824 Adams 30.92% Jackson 41.36% +10.44%
19. 1860 Lincoln 39.65% Douglas 29.52% +10.13%
20. 1864 Lincoln 55.03% McClellan 44.95% +10.08%
21. 1940 Roosevelt 54.74% Willkie 44.78% +9.96%
22. 1980 Reagan 50.75% Carter 41.01% +9.74%
23. 1908 Taft 51.57% Bryan 43.04% +8.53%
24. 1996 Clinton 49.23% Dole 40.72% +8.51%
25. 1988 Bush 53.37% Dukakis 45.65% +7.72%
26. 1944 Roosevelt 53.39% Dewey 45.89% +7.5%
27. 1852 Pierce 50.83% Scott 43.88% +6.95%
28. 1900 McKinley 51.64% Bryan 45.52% +6.12%
29. 1840 Harrison 52.87% Van Buren 46.82% +6.05%
30. 2008 Obama 52% McCain 46% +6.0%
31. 1992 Clinton 43.01% Bush 37.45% +5.56%
32. 1868 Grant 52.66% Seymour 47.34% +5.32%
33. 1848 Taylor 47.28% Cass 42.49% +4.79%
34. 1948 Truman 49.55% Dewey 45.07% +4.48%
35. 1896 McKinley 51.02% Bryan 46.71% +4.31%
36. 1916 Wilson 49.24% Hughes 46.12 +3.12%
37. 1892 Cleveland 46.02% Harrison 43.01% +3.01%
38. 1876 Hayes 47.92% Tilden 50.92% +3%
39. 2004 Bush 50.73% Kerry 48.27% +2.46%
40. 1976 Carter 50.08% Ford 48.02% +2.06%
41. 1844 Polk 49.54% Clay 48.09% +1.45%
42. 1888 Harrison 47.80% Cleveland 48.63% +.83%
43. 1968 Nixon 43.42% Humphrey 42.72% +.7%
44. 1884 Cleveland 48.85% Blaine 48.28% +.57%
45. 2000 Bush 47.87% Gore 48.38% +.51%
46. 1960 Kennedy 49.72% Nixon 49.55% +.17%
47. 1880 Garfield 48.31% Hancock 48.22% +.09%


People on here consider Bush's victory in 2004 with 50.7% of the vote to be a tiny, nearly insignificant victory. Yet, Obama gets 52% only slightly more, and its considered to be some sort of overwhelming victory.


People made a big deal about how the election in 2004 could have gone the other way in Ohio with just 200,000 votes. It turns out that similar changes in several red states would have produced a McCain victory with only 850,000 votes in total having to be changed.

Obviously, what won Obama the presidency was the recent financial crises. The slowing economy, current unpopular Republican party, current unpopular Republican President, Iraq, public feeling about the direction of the country, it seems may not have been enough to give him the win.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:48 PM   #201
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No excuses, he has to produce, and it's not going to be easy considering what Dubya is leaving him.

We'll see. He is a politician. I voted for him, but there really wasn't a better choice.

I kind of wonder if the people who are screaming and crying and yelling are doing it just cause they got their guy elected...or they truly feel there is change coming.

I have a feeling HRC would have gotten a similar reaction.
Personally speaking, I would not have had anywhere near as much emotion for HRC, nor do most people I know. I think it would have been a lot closer race.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:50 PM   #202
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4 years with good politics, then the people are disappointed and they'll have a republican president again....

(please don't get me wrong, I'm really so glad for you americans and at least for everyone)
not necessarily...

hopefully the dems will have learned better, from previous experiences.....

and it dpends on who's disappointed.

I mean, Bill CLinton turned out to be more Centrist than I liked in some ways, but he did some really good things- so I stay happy in general that I supported and worked for both of his campaigns.

So I good into this with eyes more open, Obama in some ways being too Centrist for me in some ways, but good, very good in other ways.

I feel as I've stepped into a different America, a better America, from as soon they announced his projected win- especially after McCain's (quite surprisingly) gracious concession speech.
For the very atmosphere of most of the Whole World has altered as we repudiated the policies of Bush & Chenney & McCain's major support of most of Bush's policies espin these past 4 years.
And preveented the even more radical agenda of the Far Religious Christian Right of Sarah Palin's crowd.
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I agree with Toscano. I do not think that HRC brings the emotion that BO created with the American population.

I actually like McCain. I believe that he would have tried to do his best for the country and might have succeded, but Obama brings more passion to the table.

Look back to 10 years ago (If that), who would have predicted that a Vietnam POW hero, would have lost to an African American for the Presidency of the US?
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Well, there is still some counting going since not all the votes have been counted yet, especially the absentee ballots. But, it looks like Obama may have won by a 6 percentage point margin 52% to 46%. Thats not a TSUNAMI by any stretch of the imagination. The average US presidential election victory is won with a margin of 9.7 percentage points. You have to win by at least 15 percentage points to even be thinking "TSUNAMI".
A higher margin than the two Bush 'victories' you are always crowing about, however.
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A higher margin than the two Bush 'victories' you are always crowing about, however.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:04 PM   #206
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I agree with Toscano. I do not think that HRC brings the emotion that BO created with the American population.

I actually like McCain. I believe that he would have tried to do his best for the country and might have succeded, but Obama brings more passion to the table.

Look back to 10 years ago (If that), who would have predicted that a Vietnam POW hero, would have lost to an African American for the Presidency of the US?
the 2000 McCain with a centrist VP may have won this election.

Still, you know, the economy......
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Personally speaking, I would not have had anywhere near as much emotion for HRC, nor do most people I know.
She's not as warm and fuzzy as Obama, but this gal woulda been teary to see another gal on that stage last night.
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For the very atmosphere of most of the Whole World has altered as we repudiated the policies of Bush & Chenney & McCain's major support of most of Bush's policies espin these past 4 years.
Well, we will soon see if Obama is really going to be radically different than Bush in certain area's, or will he finally begin to understand that his idea's in certain area's like Iraq were clearly wrong and he will continue what Bush had planned on these policy issues. The CENTCOM commander who is in charge of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan is General Patraeus. Given the huge success's in Iraq over the past two years, Obama would be foolish to break with the Bush administration and General Patraeus on policy here. Although it would be ironic since Obama campaigned and got much of his support from his opposition to Bush policy in Iraq, it would be wise if he followed the Bush administration policies in this area that have clearly worked.
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This is just flat out false, a lie that Hannity and Rush have sold you. And polling around the world shows Obama is liked very much so far.
Why are you still even answering this guy?
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:06 PM   #210
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baby boom, it's no longer only about you.


As (a in the middle of the '46 - '64) "baby boomer" who's been a semi-activist since i was oh ?14 yrs, [I]way aware[/] of serious trouble in the USA & around the world by the time I was 10 ('63) before JFK was assassinated; one of the 19 yr olds ( i was 18 in 71 when they passed the 18 yr old vote ) who voted for ( a very good man ) McGovern in 72; and have continued on from then till now;

and here foward (as I have in the past) .... triply-
continuing to learn about the past in order to see what streams of ideas; and events have made what America & the World what they are today; seeing what's worst currently happening, as well as taking the best of the present, AND seeing/hearing about the new ideas about the FUTURE>
and what IS (at least many) an activist is about but chnaging the present for a [I]better future for those people that are younger & older and those yet unobrn.....

it never was just about us...........
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