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Old 10-16-2008, 11:23 AM   #451
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When you post numbers from right-wing websites, all the republican candidate has to do is show up, and he wins.

AOL=Right Wing Website.

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American Online is the source.

Who on earth still has America Online???

People half a step above John McCain on the internet-savvy scale.

Go figure.
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AOL Subscribers - BWAHAHA!!!!!!
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AOL=Right Wing Website.

Tell Jessica to slap you for me.
This is an online poll:
AOL Straw Poll

and I just discovered that you can vote multiple times, which is a favorite tactic of poll skewing (aka "freeping") that right-wingers engage in.

Ergo, that poll is meaningless.

Go slap yourself
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Kinda funny that he's not telling anyone who he's going to vote for. Maybe it's because........

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Politico.com is reporting that Joe the Plummer isn't even registered to vote...

Ben Smith's Blog: The Joe file - Politico.com
Joe the Plumber----the biggest political nothing there's ever been.

The fool will spend the next four years complaining about whoever wins.
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Is "Joe the Pumber" also "Joe Six-Pack" ?

Not too many "Joe Six-Packs" make $300K/year.....yeah that's your everyman salary right there.....
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Kinda funny that he's not telling anyone who he's going to vote for. Maybe it's because........



Joe the Plumber----the biggest political nothing there's ever been.

The fool will spend the next four years complaining about whoever wins.
I'm sure ACORN can help him get registered.

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I'm sure ACORN can help him get registered.

Only if he registers under the name "Joe the Plumber."

Making >250K a year, it's unlikely he'll get kicked out of his house. Good thing...otherwise he wouldn't be allowed to vote.
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This is an online poll:
AOL Straw Poll

and I just discovered that you can vote multiple times, which is a favorite tactic of poll skewing (aka "freeping") that right-wingers engage in.

Ergo, that poll is meaningless.

Go slap yourself
What's stopping the Obama camp from clicking endlessly?

With ACORN they vote more than once, why not here?



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Why is this guy really being used as an example of the middle class or of small businesses?

What small business makes over a quarter million a year? My mom owns a used bookstore--she pulls down about $30K. A few posters in here own their own small businesses--I'm sure they can attest to similar numbers much lower than >250K/year.
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What's stopping the Obama camp from clicking endlessly?

With ACORN they vote more than once, why not here?



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ah, ACORN. you know what? Charlie Crist is pissed, probably because he had to marry a woman and still got dicked over (heh-heh), and McCain might actually have a chance had he picked the man with the tan. but, hey, when you structure the social policy of a party around hating gay people, you miss out on genuine talent.

so Crist is calling bullshit on the non-scandal of ACORN:

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Gov. Crist: False voter registrations not big problem in Florida

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Breaking with the talking points of his fellow Republicans in Washington, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said he does not think voter fraud and the vote-registration group ACORN are a major problem in the Sunshine State.
''I think that there's probably less [fraud] than is being discussed. As we're coming into the closing days of any campaign, there are some who enjoy chaos,'' Crist told reporters.

Crist made his comments as the Republican National Committee hosted a conference call with reporters to tie Democrat Barack Obama to suspicious voter-registration cards submitted by ACORN across the nation and in four Florida counties, including Broward.

In the Broward case, an unknown person tried to re-register a longtime voter named Susan S. Glenckman. Broward officials caught the error in August when it was brought to their attention by ACORN.

During the Wednesday Republican conference call, national party spokesman Danny Diaz focused more on a case in Orange County, where someone used an ACORN-stamped voter-registration card to sign up Mickey Mouse.

But Crist's Republican Secretary of State, Kurt Browning, said he doesn't think ACORN is committing systematic voter fraud. And Crist said that settles the matter because ''I have enormous confidence'' in Browning.

Like ACORN spokesmen, Browning says the false voter registration forms could be blamed on unethical canvassers or on citizens who themselves fill out fictitious voter cards.

REGISTERING VS. VOTING

Elections officials point out that while voter-registration fraud is relatively easy, vote fraud is far more difficult because a criminal would have to evade multiple layers of computer-system and identity checks. They also say the system is not overwhelmed with phony registrations, as Diaz suggested during the conference call.

ACORN's head Florida organizer, Brian Kettenring, went a step further, saying the group was being framed in the Mickey Mouse case -- though he wasn't sure who was behind it.

''We have a substantial reason to believe someone probably got one of our cards and submitted it to the elections office without us knowing,'' Kettenring said.

But Diaz, the national Republican spokesman, said Wednesday that there is no way ACORN is a victim, considering ''the volume'' of registration-fraud complaints and investigations in numerous states.

''When you sign the Dallas Cowboys in Nevada, Mickey Mouse in Florida, a 7-year-old girl in Connecticut,'' Diaz said, ``their argument that this is all some kind of a conspiracy is laughable on its face.''

Diaz, echoing previous statements from the party and John McCain's campaign, said Obama hasn't been honest about his links to ACORN.

Obama told reporters Tuesday that Republicans are engaging in distractions. He said his campaign has nothing to do with ACORN and that ACORN is probably the victim of lazy card gatherers or card signers who make up names or fraudulently fill out registration cards.

ACORN submits all registration cards -- even ones it knows are phony -- because it's illegal to destroy the cards in Florida, and Browning said the group should even turn in incomplete registration cards.

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Kettenring said the group has quality-control checks to alert officials of suspicious cards. Although it flagged the Glenckman problem in Broward, ACORN never saw the Mickey Mouse card, Kettenring said.

A housing, poverty and wage advocacy group, ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. It has signed up more than 150,000 new Florida voters out of the 1.3 million it registered in the past two years nationwide.

Echoing Browning and other county elections supervisors, Mary Cooney, a spokeswoman for Broward County Election Supervisor Brenda Snipes, said the office had a good working relationship with ACORN.

But Cooney said the office began tracking ACORN registrations after noticing about 10 percent of the 16,000 registration cards it submitted were returned by the post office as undeliverable.

Cooney said the returned mail wasn't suspicious, but it was worthy of note. Cooney said that, if the office had suspected real fraud, it would have turned the matter over to the state attorney's office. But it didn't.

Obama had downplayed his ties to ACORN on his ''fight the smears'' website, saying that his most extensive work with ACORN was when he represented the group along with the U.S. Justice Department in a lawsuit. Turns out, he also trained some ACORN community organizers at a seminar, so Obama's website was changed to reflect that he was never ''hired'' as a trainer.

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis made much of that in a conference call last week, urging reporters to ask Obama: ``What were you teaching them? Were you teaching them how to evade the law?''

Davis also said anyone who believes ACORN isn't up to something bad is ``naive.''

But the day before, when Crist was asked whether he had any suspicions or evidence that ACORN was up to anything illegal or unethical, he gave a quick and brief reply: ``No.''
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What's stopping the Obama camp from clicking endlessly?

With ACORN they vote more than once, why not here?



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See, here's the problem with the ACORN argument:

Who's voting twice?

The fake names were things like Mickey Mouse, Jose Cuervo, David Beckham, Alex Rodriguez. Not your name, my name, my neighbor's name.

If some guy in Illinois tries to go vote as Alex Rodriguez---what identification is he going to have?

Mickey Mouse, as we all know, hasn't voted since the 30s.


ACORN is a distraction. Much like the majority of the Republican tactics, and quite a large number of your arguments.
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:49 AM   #464
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Biden calls out Joe the Plumber:

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Biden questions 'notion of this guy Joe the plumber'
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From CNN Associate Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand

(CNN) — Joe Biden sounded skeptical of “Joe the Plumber” Wurzelbacher’s working-class credentials Thursday.

“You notice John [McCain] continues to cling to the notion of this guy Joe the plumber,” Biden said on NBC’s Today show. “I don't have any Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year that are worried.”

“The Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood, the Joe the cops in my neighborhood, the Joe the grocery store owners in my neighborhood — they make, like 98 percent of the small businesses, less than $250,000 a year,” said the Democratic VP nominee. “And they’re going to do very well under us, and they’re going to be in real tough shape under John McCain.”

McCain cited Wurzelbacher, who questioned Obama about his tax plan during a recent Ohio campaign swing, as someone would face higher taxes under the Democrat’s economic proposals.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the mean annual wage for plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters in the United States in 2007 was $47,350.
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:57 AM   #465
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What's stopping the Obama camp from clicking endlessly?
Nothing, which also proves that the poll is meaningless. Glad you agree.


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With ACORN they vote more than once, why not here?
McCain has historically supported ACORN. Why are they suddenly taboo?


McCain at ACORN event, where he was the headliner.
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