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Old 11-21-2016, 04:08 PM   #1
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TC Electronics D-Two

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Im looking to buy a second delay to work with my SDD3K . I have read that the d-two is a good replace to the TC2290. Can anyone confirm that? What do you think about that?


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I used to have two of them 8 years ago. Can't compare them to the 2290 because a 2nd hand 2290 cost 2x as much as a D2 at the time. It was said that the modulation of the D2 wasn't on the same level as on the 2290. Again, I can't compare but it was subtle. I think I sold them because I also had a G-Major and Boss GX-700, which also could do delays, in the case of the G-Major almost the exact same delays. The only thing they couldn't do was modulation delay. But since the D2 was kinda subtle in that department it seemed kinda overkill to keep both D2's just for that.

As for you, what is your setup, what are your needs, how do you plan to use them? 8 years the choice for advanced delays was limited. A rackmounted delay was still one of the best options. Nowadays there are excellent delay pedals as well. Or you could just sell your soul to the digital devil and go full on modelling instead. One modeller makes for a hell of a lot simpler setup. Plus it beats having to deal with gear that's been out of production for a quarter of a century.
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I want a delay clean like tc2290 in a rack.


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It can do that. And it will have the advantage of being only a 1U unit, so it will take up less space then a 2290. For what it is supposed to do it is a good affordable rack delay. Which is why you see them a lot in FOH racks. Where it makes sense to have them.

As a musician however I still would go for a TC Electronic G-Major though. It can do most of those delays as well and a lot more, it's the same size, has the same knobs and button layout (it shares the same chassis basically) and judging by the Thomann website still costs almost €100 less. For what it will cost you, considering that there are excellent multi-FX alternatives, unless its a cheap 2nd hand unit and/or you're dead set on having those multitap options, the D2 is just not worth it. I only got two of them because I dreamt of having a rack like the Edge (with his 4 2290's and 3 SDD3K's), not a rack that suited my own needs.
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I saw a gmajor first gen on a pawn store but is saw that is a multieffect and the dtwo is only delay. Gmajor has better quality?


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can those TC delays be replicated with recent, high-quality small delay pedals like Timeline or Eventide H9?
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Yes, seem is possible but im just looking for a rackmount


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I saw a gmajor first gen on a pawn store but is saw that is a multieffect and the dtwo is only delay. Gmajor has better quality?
Brian May uses them, and they're doing his Brighton Rock delays. Think of it as an added bonus that A: it can do extra stuff as well, might come in handy, and B: even if you still only use it for delays a new one is still €100 cheaper then a D2. I'm sure that the D2 can do things that the G-Major2 can't, like the multi-tap thing, question is, do you need that or not. Always measure your purchases by need to have vs. nice to have.

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can those TC delays be replicated with recent, high-quality small delay pedals like Timeline or Eventide H9?
Of course they can. The days that rackmounted effects were unsurpassed by pedals is long gone. Not only can pedals nowadays deliver the same quality, they are also way more reliable as rackmounts are just not designed to be taken on the road and hauled around, being subjected to all kinds of punishment and weather conditions . The fact that Edge had to stick two of every rack unit in his rack is testament to that, he didn't do that with his pedals. Rackmounts were designed to be used in studios, static, where the temperature is always the same. That's why they are shaped the way they are. Guitarists started to take them out on the road to recreate the studio effects that had been applied to their recordings out of necessity, they didn't have an alternative.
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Brian May uses them, and they're doing his Brighton Rock delays. Think of it as an added bonus that A: it can do extra stuff as well, might come in handy, and B: even if you still only use it for delays a new one is still €100 cheaper then a D2. I'm sure that the D2 can do things that the G-Major2 can't, like the multi-tap thing, question is, do you need that or not. Always measure your purchases by need to have vs. nice to have.







Of course they can. The days that rackmounted effects were unsurpassed by pedals is long gone. Not only can pedals nowadays deliver the same quality, they are also way more reliable as rackmounts are just not designed to be taken on the road and hauled around, being subjected to all kinds of punishment and weather conditions . The fact that Edge had to stick two of every rack unit in his rack is testament to that, he didn't do that with his pedals. Rackmounts were designed to be used in studios, static, where the temperature is always the same. That's why they are shaped the way they are. Guitarists started to take them out on the road to recreate the studio effects that had been applied to their recordings out of necessity, they didn't have an alternative.

Brian may is using gmajor 2 i think. This is what insaw in his rack. That rack his delay is a tc2290 emulation but the gmajor 1 is an standard delay i think.


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there you go, guys.
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Brian may is using gmajor 2 i think. This is what insaw in his rack. That rack his delay is a tc2290 emulation but the gmajor 1 is an standard delay i think.
Obviously you should get the G-Major 2, which is what I meant. Although the G-Major 1 ain't that bad either. It just can't do modulated delays.
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I still wonder why TC2290 sounds so special. is that because these rack units have more processing power? i don't think D-2 is inferior and Major 1/2 should have tons of processing power to pull off these complex effects. am i wrong here?
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Well, when the 2290 entered the market there was simply no alternative to it in the pedal department. And it used components which are no longer in production. So if you wanted to use the same studio grade delays live as in the studio you had to stick a 2290 in your rack as a guitarist. And the D2 is to the 2290 as the WH4 whammy is to the classic WH1. A new product that had to be designed because they could no longer build the old one. And whenever something gets discontinued in favor of something new people are going to compare the two and generally prefer the old one. And there's a logic to it beyond conservative older is better. Redesigns usually happen because of inaccessibility of older parts and/or to cut costs. And while redesigns always try to sound like the old thing, you can never really get the same result with different parts. So older will still sound somewhat different, therefore better in the ears of most people.

Anyway, nothing wrong with the D2, but its a one trick pony that costs more then the more versatile G-Major 2. And having more options for less is generally better. Even if you do use it only for delays. That's what I use my Line6 M9 basically for.
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Right, your comparison of Whammy 1 vs 4 and this TC delay situation seems pretty right.

I saw couple of vids comparing D2 and TC2290 and i often hear some differences but I feel like those can be overcome by some tweaks. They can apply hi/low cuts to their repeats, meaning that the unit can produce large variety of sounds. They're not so different, after all.

Only time I've seen D2 in professional player's rack was in Carlos Santana's rig. he apparently only uses D2 once in every show. literally only for one moment in a show.

Seems to be that people are mostly fine with G-Force1/2, delays within Axe-Fx units, or even some compact until like Eventide H9, Timeline from Strymon, etc. I can't really hear the difference, so don't really trust me on this.
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