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Old 02-01-2016, 03:11 AM   #1
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Edge being a member of Fender BOD....what so what?

So it's been a while since Edge (and random guy in sunglasses named Bono) became a part of Fender's BOD. we kinda got excited to see what's gonna happen out of that changes. But as a result, I don't see much changes in Fender as a company. they still endorsee Eric and Jeff, and companies are still catering for those shredders with inflated egos. like Yngwie. and Fender barely add any new things to offset guitars. Are there any lineup changes that directly reflect Edge and Bono's addition? Or am I just missing something important out here? Sure Edge sig. models and Adam sig. basses are added but what about normal production models?
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Is Fender doing that much things that warrant intervention? Are they making massive price increases like Gibson did? Introducing self tuning technology that has guitarists up in arms? To name a few. Overall Fender seems to be pretty constant. Unlike Gibson they understand that their guitars are for the most part not rare collectibles to be put behind glass but actual working pieces of equipment that people would like to use. As such their average price seems to be a lot lower then Gibson. They also seem to understand that they can't afford another quality dip like what happened in the 70's. So overall good quality for a good price. And they also seem to understand that the vast majority of musicians are so conservative they haven't caught on to the discovery of fire. If it were a political view point musicians would be to the right of the Republican party (no dig intended). So overall Fender seems to be doing okay. Not taking much risk, not making many mistakes.

As for Bono and Edge being on the board of directors, that's usually a well paid gig where you don't have to do much but rubberstamp what the CEO is doing. Maybe if the boards of directors of the various companies had actually done anything these past decades we wouldn't have gone through the economic upheavals we experienced? Where were the boards of directors of the various banks that had to be bailed out when everybody was playing fast and lose with risky investments? Where was the board of directors when Enron went bankrupt? I always try to separate artists' creative output with their politics and other doings, but I've gotten the strong impression that U2 is as good at making money through non-music related means as they are at making music. Maybe even better. So if somebody came up to U2 and offered them a job where they didn't have to do much, didn't have to compromise their politics, got a chance at all sorts of freebies and got paid well, I'd definitely see them take it.

And if that sounds cynical, well, consider Rage Against the Machine, who are politically socialists, as in actual socialists, not European social-democrats or what Republicans like to insult Democrats for, who openly flirt with communist symbols and ideology and yet have no qualms to sign with major record labels and also earn a lot of money.
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I was thinking about this for a while because some limited edition guitars that came out last year (10 for 15? i think it was called) had Edge's input in it; sure, the first batch of the series had 70s headstock and it was hardtail. well I was kinda excited when I heard that happened so I guess I was overestimating how flexible Fender is as a company; i don't blame them but.....

What do you think of new line of Fender Elite? people has mixed opinions about it (i.e. thinner necks, new noiseless pups, etc). Have you used Noiseless pups? it seems to be everywhere in the high-end Fenders, and I hear people say it's inferior to Lace Sensors.

I feel like Gibson is slowly getting what people actually want. Especially Memphis line gets it; they get that quality and details are what Gibson has been known, not those weird gizmos. I was seriously considering buying ES Les Paul Studio if I had money. Well money part is getting more and more hopeless on my end so I'm sure even if I manage t buy one it'll be pretty distant future.

As much as Im leftist (at this point I'm randomly sharing about Bernie), I'm actually fine with Rage signing with major labels. I mean, if they were in unknown labels in the 90s, they probably wouldn't have made it. now, sure it's kinda easy to distribute music without big system but i guess 90s was different time. but i got to admit that Tom Morello and co. kinda sold out a bit when they formed Audioslave, though; I've heard that the reason they only released 3 albums was because their original contract was 3 album deal. And there were some personal issues, and all that.

thanx for the long response, though. I kinda think if Bono hadn't experienced that bike clash and still play guitar, he could've released bunch of models that are tied to whatever charity he are supporting. I mean, the sunglasses he wrote during tour last year was tied to charity, i remember.
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and Im also in a weird position where I'm arguing about tone-wood on Youtube comment. it's hilarious and frustrating at the same time. especially when in one interview Edge said that electric guitar is glorified plank of wood until the signal from the pup is sent to the amps (and obviously effected like hell by pedals in between).
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Is there an equivalent of UK Companies House in the USA? Here in the UK it's easy to find out (for free) the directors of a UK company, accounts, etc.

E.g. for Marshall:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...05676/officers

Fender Europe:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...27180/officers

Manson:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...93645/officers

BKP:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...00683/officers

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I was thinking about this for a while because some limited edition guitars that came out last year (10 for 15? i think it was called) had Edge's input in it; sure, the first batch of the series had 70s headstock and it was hardtail. well I was kinda excited when I heard that happened so I guess I was overestimating how flexible Fender is as a company; i don't blame them but.....

What do you think of new line of Fender Elite? people has mixed opinions about it (i.e. thinner necks, new noiseless pups, etc). Have you used Noiseless pups? it seems to be everywhere in the high-end Fenders, and I hear people say it's inferior to Lace Sensors.
I've never used any noiseless pups, only Lace Sensors, which were awesome. They can't be that bad though considering that Clapton ditched the Lace Sensors in favor of Noiseless pups. Of course any true verdict can only come from an A/B test and even then it would still be a matter of taste. As always in these matters the rule of thumb is if it sounds good to you, stick with it.

As for thin necks, thin necks are awesome. I can't for the life understand why anyone would want to play a thick baseball bat neck. Sure, shredders favor thin necks above all, but does that automatically taint them as guilty by association?

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I feel like Gibson is slowly getting what people actually want. Especially Memphis line gets it; they get that quality and details are what Gibson has been known, not those weird gizmos. I was seriously considering buying ES Les Paul Studio if I had money. Well money part is getting more and more hopeless on my end so I'm sure even if I manage t buy one it'll be pretty distant future.

As much as Im leftist (at this point I'm randomly sharing about Bernie), I'm actually fine with Rage signing with major labels. I mean, if they were in unknown labels in the 90s, they probably wouldn't have made it. now, sure it's kinda easy to distribute music without big system but i guess 90s was different time. but i got to admit that Tom Morello and co. kinda sold out a bit when they formed Audioslave, though; I've heard that the reason they only released 3 albums was because their original contract was 3 album deal. And there were some personal issues, and all that.
I'm fine with a band signing with a major label, you had to back then and to a degree you still do to reach a major audience. Which I guess was what Rage wanted to do, get their message out to a major audience. In Rage's case it was extremely ironic though considering their anti-corporate stance. Of course you can never use the system and not become tainted by it. That's why politicians, whom I willing to believe start out with the best of intentions, always become assholes. Of course Rage was never that into milking the system for money. Tom Morello never went for endorsement deals and went as far as to cover up brand names on his gear.

In U2's case there's a Dutch saying that applies very well, you talk to the left, but you line your pockets to the right. It usually applies to left wing politicians who always start out as firebrand political activists or union leaders and inevitably end up as spokesmen or members of the boards of major corporations. Or even worse, become executives themselves. U2 has always endorsed many leftist political and humanitarian causes but it has also become a well oiled money spinning machine. Which explains in no small way why so many people loath Bono for being a hypocrite. He always talks about how we should give to charity and yet U2 not only makes countless millions each year, its also very adept at finding tax loop holes to pay less taxes. And every cent avoided in paying taxes means less government money that can be spent of aid to the poor, fighting AIDS, social/welfare programs and the refugee crisis. Talking to the left, lining your pockets to the right, no, I can't say I'm surprised that Bono and the Edge are on Fender's board of directors. And again, if that makes me sound like a cynic, then I am. I don't hold it against them though. If Fender offered me that job I'd take it too. Easy money, freebies, what's not to like? And I'd promise to take my job seriously as well. Kinda.

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thanx for the long response, though. I kinda think if Bono hadn't experienced that bike clash and still play guitar, he could've released bunch of models that are tied to whatever charity he are supporting. I mean, the sunglasses he wrote during tour last year was tied to charity, i remember.
I never understood though, what is up with those sunglasses?

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and Im also in a weird position where I'm arguing about tone-wood on Youtube comment. it's hilarious and frustrating at the same time. especially when in one interview Edge said that electric guitar is glorified plank of wood until the signal from the pup is sent to the amps (and obviously effected like hell by pedals in between).
It seems incredibly ironic knowing that Edge has dozens of guitars, many of them of the same model and is on record saying with a straight face that they all sound different. To me most of them sound the exact same. I am perfectly willing to accept that what kind of wood you use to build a guitar will influence the sound. If you run it straight into a clean amp using the exact same pickups you might hear a difference. But pickups will probably make up the biggest difference, let alone if you run a guitar into a distorted amp through a shitload of pedals.
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I've been cynical/overly nihilistic for a while so i totally get you, Muad'zin.

I think people ditched Lace because it wasn't used by Fender anymore, i think. The contract expired in early 2000s, and Lace didnt want to supply pickups to Fender anymore, that kind of stuff. I mean some people like Jeff Beck aren't even using noiseless pups, which is actually his stock pups for his model. come on, i think i said it already but that's kinda wrong, as that pups are custom made so no way we can replicate it.
About Lace, Im really looking into it; I think i used to talk about pickup changes and I think I might really settle for Lace pups. I am not home for a long time so I can't really ask my parents and say, "change pups of my guitar, just take it to the music store."

I don't think wood affects tone in significant way. and I'm not gonna say i can hear it; I mean, I can't distinguish between amp sim and amps on YouTube, no way i have right to say, "rosewood sounds better and warmer" or whatever because I never hear that. but Edge is somewhat valid to say that different strats sounds different as pickups and pots aren't exactly identical even their models are the same and there supposed to have same values; 2 pots have slightly different values by default, and 2 same pups might have different # of winding. that's why some old Les Pauls are pretty louder than others, right?

 
Im actually fine with lots of AIDS program somewhat about making money, as most of researches seem not to work because they are out of money and resources. I do research and my dad works for pharmaceuticals, and certainly, science is becoming about money/funding, as the competition for grants are heating up like insane.
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I have played random guy's Kirk Hammet model of Ltd guitar. (virtually identical to his sig model from ESP) and it had thinner necks than regular Fender. I can't say i liked the feel as it didnt fit to my hand. Im not saying that I like '58 Gibson feel but I certainly like typical Fender neck. It nicely fits my and and lots of Fender guitars seem to have compound neck so neck gets thinner/flatter as it gets closer to the body, which makes sense as I play single note passages on the widdly ends and i tend to grab necks firmly on the neck closer to headstock as I mostly play open chords.
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Edge was @ Fender yesterday according to (the surprise off) one of their employees. who is posetively exited and tweeting about it.
Apparently they are filming/recording something. And he's playing songs. (Gloria/ parts of pride etc. )

https://www.facebook.com/seansilasgt...07456900973827

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Edge was @ Fender yesterday according to (the surprise off) one of their employees. who is posetively exited and tweeting about it.
Apparently they are filming/recording something. And he's playing songs. (Gloria/ parts of pride etc. )

https://www.facebook.com/seansilasgt...07456900973827

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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10207456988056004
oh thank you. this way this thread wont end up me bitching about Fender making weird decisions.
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yeah I thought it's weird that there are hardly any promotions for Edge's strat. I know that he's not very keen to promote his products and wants to be "that guy selling his guitar" but still. I mean Fender at NAMM was advertising Elite line and Bassbreaker amps more than anything, so.
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