redhill
Refugee
Opinions can't be wrong, except when they are.
Well, you know the old saying. Opinions are like earlobes.
Opinions can't be wrong, except when they are.
Well, you know the old saying. Opinions are like earlobes.
SOI is a better album, IMO.
Songs of Innocence is focused; it's about youth; specifically about Bono's youth in Dublin, it's about his broken home, and about youth as it expands outward seeking success. Ambition.
The companion album should be equally focused on experience. It's not. It contains great songs, yes, but it's uneven. Deeply personal, and at other times, current events dominate the narrative...
Songs of Innocence is focused; it's about youth; specifically about Bono's youth in Dublin, it's about his broken home, and about youth as it expands outward seeking success. Ambition.
The companion album should be equally focused on experience. It's not. It contains great songs, yes, but it's uneven. Deeply personal, and at other times, current events dominate the narrative...
Well... Every Breaking Wave and California are dead smack in the middle of this narrative and don't belong.
There are two songs that are clearly about current events on this album, and a third that's sorta. The rest are all very much intertwined, so I'm not sure this argument holds any water
So by that measure, how does American Soul not fit into an album about letters and experience?If the album is about "first times", as Bono stated in an interview, then both of those songs could easily fit that narrative.
So by that measure, how does American Soul not fit into an album about letters and experience?
So what songs don't fit the narrative then?I never said it didn't. I always thought that it was a politically charged song but I couldn't bear to listen to it more than a few times. So I'm no expert on that track.
So what songs don't fit the narrative then?
Why are you even asking me?
xana dew is the one who made the initial assertion.
Do we really need to get into a track-by-track? I don't have that much time at the moment. This is one that could be largely proven, however, if you want to make the effort.
...because you're the friggin person who responded to my response to xana dew in the first fucking place?
I respond to the OP, you respond to me, I respond to your response, and you respond to asking why I'm talking to you and not the OP.
But I'm the baby.
Another redhill classic. Way to be on board.
I think you just like to make trouble and instigate for the sake of (or, as you put it, you like to kick hornet's nests). So I'm not sure it's worth wasting time to discuss something with someone who is more interested in kicking the nest than getting to the bottom of something in a reasonable way.
Although I agreed with the OP, it wasn't my assertion that SOI was more thematically consistent than SOE. So, I think they have put more thought into that than I have and it would be better to ask that poster.
Pretty simple and no need to get heated.
It would be pretty easy to prove and I'm guessing that's why you're being so touchy. Or are you just looking to pick a fight with me in particular?
P.S. The attempted "on board" slight isn't a dig at all because I find it pretty comical at this point. But, nice try, I guess...I think the kids used to call that an epic fail.
You're just a mess, so I will certainly take your advice and engage with the OP.
But you really need to take a mirror to your own posts here. You responded to me, and I was responding to you. There was no issue at all until you asked me why I was responding... to your response. I wasn't even speaking to you until you responded to my post... which was quoting someone else. You're projecting your own behavior on someone else.
My issue with California not fitting the narrative is that this album was supposed to be about the forming of the band, and they didn't get to California until after Boy's release... so chronologically it doesn't fit.First of all, isn't EBW about a break-up? Or at least about challenges later in a relationship?
Not to mention that it was written during the 360 tour, well before Bono had the idea to write about the band's early days.
California is a different thing, as I was under the impression it depicted the band coming out to the west coast for the first time, and it also has to do with his continuing grief over the loss of his mother.
My issue with California not fitting the narrative is that this album was supposed to be about the forming of the band, and they didn't get to California until after Boy's release... so chronologically it doesn't fit.
There's also the detour of Sleep Like A Baby and The Troubles, but depending on your interpretation, they very well may fit into the shaping of the young band.
Every Breaking Wave is certainly a relationship song of experience... whereas song for someone is more in lines with the Innocence angle.
My issue with California not fitting the narrative is that this album was supposed to be about the forming of the band, and they didn't get to California until after Boy's release... so chronologically it doesn't fit.
There's also the detour of Sleep Like A Baby and The Troubles, but depending on your interpretation, they very well may fit into the shaping of the young band.
Every Breaking Wave is certainly a relationship song of experience... whereas song for someone is more in lines with the Innocence angle.
If have preferred that if they were going to go for it, then go for it... and 100% agree invisible and ballroom should have made the cut.I mean I don't know how rigid you want to be about their parameters, I just figured it was about The Early Years as opposed to just the very beginning or whatever.
Sleep works for me in that it's about local priests molesting kids, which would have been ongoing and part of their environment. The Troubles certainly isn't about innocence in its literal lyric, but yeah the domestic violence subject is arguably being used as a metaphor for IRA violence and could tie into Raised By Wolves.
Clearly they forced EBW onto the album because they expected it to be a gigantic hit. A shame that the superior Invisible, which is one of the most thematically relevant of the new tracks, winds up being left off. And of course Crystal Ballroom is also specifically about Dublin, Bono's family, and the early days of the band.
There's nothing in that link that has a quote from Bono about the song's content.
But then it's still idiotic to put it in the #2 slot, two songs before the song about Bono losing his virginity.