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SOE 18: New Tour, New Despair...
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lazarus
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Oregoropa
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My favorite story about the SOI release was about an older guy who bought a new vehicle and took it back to the dealership to complain that every time he plugged his iPhone into the car, gay porn would appear on the vehicle display.
Turns out the only music he had was the Apple-issued SOI and the album artwork automatically went right to the screen.
Mack_Again
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Edge needs to talk to his inner John Mclaughlin to blow MY mind
Registered Dude
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Adam's comments to Q about the sound if SOE being born from the band's early "punk" energy doesn't excite me as much as it once might have..
I'd assumed that the the album's songwriting and arrangements (however "aggressive") would be more complex/nuanced than SOI, to mirror the idea of experience
Comparisons to punk probably mean they're going for something more direct. More stuff like Volcano I suppose
I'd assumed that the the album's songwriting and arrangements (however "aggressive") would be more complex/nuanced than SOI, to mirror the idea of experience
Comparisons to punk probably mean they're going for something more direct. More stuff like Volcano I suppose
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Line_on_the_Horizon_(song)#Composition
I'm gonna add punk to my list of nothing words such as visceral or relevance.
I'm gonna add punk to my list of nothing words such as visceral or relevance.
I actually find it exciting if they drill into what makes their early songs so much fun to watch live. There's so much energy in the room when they do songs like IWF, OOC, Gloria, and Elec Co.
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JamietheEdgefan
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After all the talk of SoI being "too polished", SoE sounding "more aggressive", a sister song to Volcano, that 'SoE being born' clip, and now edge mentioning they're working on arrangements in a live capacity, etc...
... I've been envisioning SoE as taking all the rough rock elements of SoI (miracle, cedarwood road, volcano), and doubling down on them. I've found this kind of odd, given a) you'd think 'experience' would relate more to their 90's work, at least more so than SoI, and b) that 'rock' sound hasn't yielded a hit since vertigo.
Which is why I was really surprised when we heard The Best Thing. Maybe the remix we've heard 'softens up' the original mix, but it seemed so out of left field based on what we heard about SoE before that.
But between TBT and that 'being born' clip,I think there's an enticing amount of mystery around what we'll finally hear. And I'm really excited that they're working on live arrangements before settling on final mixes - that could yield some really good production results, and get rid of that 'polished' feel.
Numb1075
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A friend of mine, his 75 year old mother, just got her first ipod prior to the SoI release. The ipod turned on in her purse. she reaches for it and sees gay porn on her ipod. she was mortified.
I agree. Relevance is still producing something new that people like and the critics talk about. As excited as I am for the Joshua Tree Tour 2017, I'm hoping they keep the tour short and get back to the Songs Of Experience album and resume the Innocence and Experience Tour at least by early 2018.
The Joshua Tree Tour 2017 is a trip to the past, sort of like a reunion tour of an old group or like Roger Waters taking the Wall on tour or performing "Dark Side Of The Moon" on one of the tours. Its nostalgia and its fun. But it certainly is not relevance especially in the way U2 has defined it for the entire career to this point.
I believe they are doing this because they are not done with Songs Of Experience and wanted to give a little gift for the fans and maybe use it as a vehicle to promote the band in general again, get the name out there, before they release their new work on Songs Of Experience.
womanfish
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Dragonfave
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Shirtigo.
Y2K
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To be fair, I can see where the writer is coming from in their description of the the alternate version of the title track. But you're right, the band has all but made the word "punk" meaningless at this point.
Definition of relevance
1
a : relation to the matter at hand
b : practical and especially social applicability : pertinence <giving relevance to college courses>
2
: the ability (as of an information retrieval system) to retrieve material that satisfies the needs of the user
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a : relation to the matter at hand
b : practical and especially social applicability : pertinence <giving relevance to college courses>
2
: the ability (as of an information retrieval system) to retrieve material that satisfies the needs of the user
The matter at hand being the new music of 2017.
Celebration
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Relevance is the residue of transcendence
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the matter at hand can be different to every person.
what's relevant to me is not necessarily relevant to you, so arguing what does or doesn't make an act relevant is dumb.
one could make a pretty solid argument that selling 1.5+ million tickets makes the band fairly relevant to a lot of people.
Oregoropa
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Celebration
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thanks - surprised more people didn't pick up on Bono's comments - very counter cultural. Very rock n' roll.
The John Tree
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I can't help but feel like it's a smarter idea to simply call Songs of Experience something else.
It ties it too much to SoI and to resume the Innocence & Experience tour after 2 years off and an entirely different tour sandwiched in the middle seems odd to me. I can't help but feel like your average ticket buyer is going to go "The Innocence and Experience tour? Didn't I already go to that?"
If relevance is what the band is looking for, it's an odd way of remaining relevant - by tying themselves to a 3 year old album that pissed people off because of a misguided marketing strategy and a tour that they already saw.
Keep the songs - repackage them as something new, with a new tour to follow.
It ties it too much to SoI and to resume the Innocence & Experience tour after 2 years off and an entirely different tour sandwiched in the middle seems odd to me. I can't help but feel like your average ticket buyer is going to go "The Innocence and Experience tour? Didn't I already go to that?"
If relevance is what the band is looking for, it's an odd way of remaining relevant - by tying themselves to a 3 year old album that pissed people off because of a misguided marketing strategy and a tour that they already saw.
Keep the songs - repackage them as something new, with a new tour to follow.
The_acrobat
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To be honest, the average ticket buyer probably won't even notice, or care about the fact that 2 years passed between legs of the I&E Tour. However, I do agree that whenever it eventually happens, it will be called something else (both album and tour). It'll probably be the same basic stage concept (main stage, catwalk, b-stage, long screen running the length of the arena), but with some different elements. Kind of like how the Vertigo Tour was pretty similar to the Elevation Tour.
JamietheEdgefan
Refugee
I can really see that happening too. I can believe right now, that SoE and I&E still exist as concepts... but if they're pushed back much further, they could just go the way of Songs of Ascent.
If the album isn't finished, and they're doing a stadium tour right in the middle of the year, I'm a little skeptical that they'll get it out by the end of the year. I think there's a 50% chance of it sliding into early 2018. At which point I could envision the band craving a fresh concept.
If the album isn't finished, and they're doing a stadium tour right in the middle of the year, I'm a little skeptical that they'll get it out by the end of the year. I think there's a 50% chance of it sliding into early 2018. At which point I could envision the band craving a fresh concept.
pacemaker
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BVS
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There are sequels to movies and albums that come out all the time that are a decade apart, this seems to the only place that thinks sequels have an expiration date.
It's a strong theme, the strongest they've had, and obviously Bono's been toying with it for a long time.
I hope they see it through, it would be a lost if they didn't.
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lazarus
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I didn't find Elevation and Vertigo to be that similar, unless you're solely looking at the enclosed pit. Elevation had a dedicated b&w video screen for each band member and was a very stripped-down affair, whereas the main visual for Vertigo was the LED curtain which was able to do some pretty innovative stuff (plus Radiohead ripped it off for their In Rainbows tour).
lazarus
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I/E tour 2018 - Now With Light Curtains
The John Tree
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As far as sequel albums go, almost all of the sequel albums I know are hip-hop albums, and they're sequels in name only, rather than sound or theme. The only two outstanding exceptions are Jay-Z's Blueprint 2 and Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP 2, both of which were not very good.
The other issue is that this just doesn't feel like a sequel - it feels like a continuation of something that wasn't finished. The problem is that the concept is tired, to me, at this point. The Innocence & Experience era, in my eyes, is over.
Again, they could do whatever they want and I'd love it. But to carry on with this idea that has clearly run out of steam just doesn't seem worth it to me.
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